Buff Warrior

[jesse]

You're building the wrong rares and using the wrong skills. Warriors can have very high damage if they want to.

Tell us what is the right skill to make high damage for warriors, please. With no pierce skill. on a SFD/PRO target.

[Thomas]

You're building the wrong rares and using the wrong skills. Warriors can have very high damage if they want to.

Tell us what is the right skill to make high damage for warriors, please. With no pierce skill. on a SFD/PRO target.

Calm down, we can test when you see me online
And about double rares+archer.. lets say i am using one double rare and i have g21,5force +g5desire.. do you think i can kill warrior d4 with sfd with double ex?
I can tell already now i cant kill even a d1 smart wearing warrior like that not to mention D4 warrior OR D4 warrior with tybern activated = 113k hp.

[lemonbone]

yeah put piercing back on both warrior and archer

compare archer drop ac with warrior, archer drop ac is much harder to land than warrior warrior should be happy about this. And I guess this is what u get if u choose pike instead of fencing PPP

btw thomas i had 214 ac, after drop ac i still have 189 lol, is just since now drop ac become more a support skill and ur team lack of killer class. You can't really play like yesterday. However, if the piercing still remain you would forced a lot more pot to be drink

[jesse]

Calm down, we can test when you see me online
And about double rares+archer.. lets say i am using one double rare and i have g21,5force +g5desire.. do you think i can kill warrior d4 with sfd with double ex?
I can tell already now i cant kill even a d1 smart wearing warrior like that not to mention D4 warrior OR D4 warrior with tybern activated = 113k hp.

After the ex skills buffed, I already saw archers kill every single D4 class in game with ex. How about the only way for warrior to kill u with force when u got SFD, is to pierce u with the 5/5 charge skill, 3 seconds per hit, and takes 4 hits before u need to drink a pot. For your every ex, a D4 warrior has to drink a pot to survive. When 1 vs 1, whos gonna be out of pots and die first?

[täisdibla]

Calm down, we can test when you see me online
And about double rares+archer.. lets say i am using one double rare and i have g21,5force +g5desire.. do you think i can kill warrior d4 with sfd with double ex?
I can tell already now i cant kill even a d1 smart wearing warrior like that not to mention D4 warrior OR D4 warrior with tybern activated = 113k hp.

After the ex skills buffed, I already saw archers kill every single D4 class in game with ex. How about the only way for warrior to kill u with force when u got SFD, is to pierce u with the 5/5 charge skill, 3 seconds per hit, and takes 4 hits before u need to drink a pot. For your every ex, a D4 warrior has to drink a pot to survive. When 1 vs 1, whos gonna be out of pots and die first?

The thief/archer. Pierce will be fixed... It's stupid as it is now. After that, build force and desire, it ain't hard. To kill a D4 with ex someone must sacrifice a lot of survivability. You can do the same if you want to deal tons of damage.

[jesse]

You can do the same if you want to deal tons of damage.

Force and Desire already maxed when I talked about the damage. I dont think I should be making force and desire rare more, unless u are suggesting their limit to G40. 6~7k on a 200 ac player, is not tons of damage like u talking about, with slow attacks instead of your extream skill 8 hits per time, 16 hits in 1 sec if doubled. <- That is tons by real means.

[täisdibla]

You can do the same if you want to deal tons of damage.

Force and Desire already maxed when I talked about the damage. I dont think I should be making force and desire rare more, unless u are suggesting their limit to G40. 6~7k on a 200 ac player, is not tons of damage like u talking about, with slow attacks instead of your extream skill 8 hits per time, 16 hits in 1 sec if doubled. <- That is tons by real means.

You can cast one full/double full extreme once every 4-5 seconds if your target is either an idiot or stunned.With 200 TT and g21,5 force the damage with z on a target with max AC is like 4,5k per hit. That is 8/16x4,2k minus misses ( which occur a lot ). Meanwhile a warrior can keep poking at the same type of target 1 hit per second, doing at least 50% more per hit ( since you are using pierce which goes through SFD, AND drops AC ). In 5 seconds you will get off 5x7k, without any desire hits included. Add some desire to that, lets say you proc 1 hit out of 5, which is 7x200%=14k. Every 5 hits or so you'll do an additional 14k, so you'll deal 49k in 5 seconds. Even if you miss the hit, the desire effect can still proc. This is all because as a warrior, you can afford to lose a little health before potting. You can't as a thief, especially not as an archer. So desire/robber is not effective for us, we'll die before we can make use of it ( you need have lost health for it to proc ).
Basically, your pot draining abilities are MUCH better if you want them to be, it's just that you can't burst an enemy down in a second like us.
Now lets not also forget Warriors can use pepsi, dark blade, tyberns, poison nova as well, all very good support skills. I can use none of those as an archer ( thieves can though, that's why they deserve the nerf on their ex ice )
Warriors have heavy, but sustained damage, not burst damage. Thieves and archers have burst physical damage. If we choose to go for sustained damage, we'll still be plucked off very easily unlike you, as we do not have a warrior's survivability.

When you're talking about people who move around fast and smart, well guess what, it's also harder for us to hit those with our ex skills, not just you warriors.

From what it seems like to me, you want to have a class that has:
a) The highest/2nd highest survivability
b) Very good supportive ability
c) Instant kill burst damage

Those 3 do no add up into 1 balanced class. If you want more burst damage... go fencing and use sword n roses.

[Thomas]

Calm down, we can test when you see me online
And about double rares+archer.. lets say i am using one double rare and i have g21,5force +g5desire.. do you think i can kill warrior d4 with sfd with double ex?
I can tell already now i cant kill even a d1 smart wearing warrior like that not to mention D4 warrior OR D4 warrior with tybern activated = 113k hp.

After the ex skills buffed, I already saw archers kill every single D4 class in game with ex. How about the only way for warrior to kill u with force when u got SFD, is to pierce u with the 5/5 charge skill, 3 seconds per hit, and takes 4 hits before u need to drink a pot. For your every ex, a D4 warrior has to drink a pot to survive. When 1 vs 1, whos gonna be out of pots and die first?

Since you are using ca rare i have to use also pot for every ex since its mostly 1-10k hp left after 1ex when you have how much? 40k left.
Also you dont even need to ac drop archer since archer has no shield but 60-100ac when using all items for damage.

ill run a calculation for example:
Lets say archer has g8g8force+g8desire and is conqueror with 100ac total with 200tt and fire bow he can hit around 24k ex to tt pole

Lets say you hit 20k on TT pole when you are wearing g8force lg g8force item+1ac+1smart.. thas roughly 210 or even 215ac+g7-g8smart considering if you had lg armor and helmet.
Together with white ac, and max endu that is pretty much impossible to kill. And i will show you why.

Lets compare how much damage we deal to each other when both have sfd.
Archer: 24k to 210ac drops to 30% = 7200damage, that is additionally dropped by 45% with SFD, meaning i will hit around 3900damage ex with a total of 31680damage - this is when i used stroke
But since you have g8 smart lets say im lucky and miss only 3hits from 8 = 19500 damage total with 74000hp you still have 54500hp left.
Here comes in Desire.. g8 desire hits around 2times with 1ex, and that damage is 155% from the 3900 damage i deal. That would be 6045x2 damage
Sum it up: 1x with 3miss and 5hit+2desire = 31590damage ; you still have over 50% of you hp left.

Lets say i use ac drop beforehand, you ac is not 210 but 185 that means 61,6% recuction = 9216damage, dropped to 5068damage.
Desire from 5068= 7500x2 = 15000damage.
Full ex damage 40544 damage, 5hit from 8 = 25340
Sum it up: 1x with 3miss and 5hit+2desire = 40340 damage

But you have to consider for desire to work i need to be missing atleast 15k hp... usually need to keep archer at full hp all times not to die to random hits.
When calculated with full force instead of desire the damage becomes even worse.


Warrior, 1h Piercing: Using lightning boom - 1hit normal+2x 90%
Lets say there is no lag and you can hit me 2times - hitting 2times takes around 1-1,5sec ( i have just tested) and you can keep hitting so it can be even 3-4hits with a alag before i can actually pot.
Damage dealt to me with 2lightning boom hits is 2x 100% damage+4x90% damage

Since i have 100 ac, it will be 33% recuction and 20k damage drops to 13200 and additionally to 7260 when i have sfd.
Calculating damage from 1lightning boom = 7260+2x6534 = 20238damage
Damage from 2lightning boom 40656 (d3 archer has 3k hp left ; d4 archer has 10k hp left)
Damage from 3 lightning boom = gg
You can calculate you lightning boom damage to 175ac opponent same way (200-ac drop)

But the main point of this comparision is that from a singe ex, i can hit average 20k damage and 1lightning boom does around the same damage to me.
Also if you discard Smart and use g8 desire it is 2hit GG for me and to d4 (you can add 1x 155% from 7000damage)
Please try new blood will out too, that is incredibly crazy damage dealing skill when used with robber or desire.

Now we have ppl here saying you cant compare numbers like this because DR is team game, but just now only skill that could have made difference - archer distance skill was disabled.

[täisdibla]

Now we have ppl here saying you cant compare numbers like this because DR is team game, but just now only skill that could have made difference - archer distance skill was disabled.

Also, this. Archers do not do reasonable damage from a distance anymore since our new skill was nerfed. We're back to melee like warriors and warriors are always far better at it than archers will ever be.

[mrlobak]

Anyway, warrior's with gay cstrike rape a lot esp for high ping players.

And i cant see warrior has any changed after increased their skill dmg, situation is still like:

At least tell me you r using desire/ac/force, instead of ca/strike.

Some thief and archer's gay damage + double rares rape all the class in the server, with lag or no lag, warrior is the only class can stand up against them.
I have all the desire/force u were talking about, and it is the 2.5k damage with those rares.

i dun think it make only 2.5k on a enemy right with Z + force rares?...
Are you saying u make 2.5k on a d4 priest with sfd?...i can make only 1k-1.5k more than u for xfire lol..

I do believe that u should not make 2.5k dmg on thief/archer/wiz/ with 2.5k tho they r buffed...previous lightning shock at least can make a 10k dmg per stack rite? lol..