character changing ideas

[ArabianArrow]

just change some noob archer symbol to force!~
problem finish!~

why would blue force be a bonus?
ps : desperado symbole is accurate and force now

G4 force is so crappy lol. This 'change' didn't help at all.

[HamSupJenn]

make it g4 + 50-60 or more force just like AC +40 in other symbol!~

suggestion, don't blame me!~

[Tensu]

make it g4 + 50-60 or more force just like AC +40 in other symbol!~

suggestion, don't blame me!~

giving another dual symbole just isnt gona solve things... archer needs more white attack power on top of his symbole of choice

[ArabianArrow]

Yah that symbol does blow. G4 force isn't gonna balance anything. I'll be going conqueror

[Elmy]

The only real way to fix it apart from making a better symbol is to reduce thief damage. If you give archer too much damage, they will just tear through everything (because they're not that far off from doing so already), but the problem is if you reduce Thief damage, it'll be nearly impossible to kill anything.

One way I guess to fix it would be to make Force and Distance rares affect those 2 classes differently. So, thieves would get full benefit from + Distance rares, and maybe a slightly reduced effect from Force. Archers could gain a slightly increased effect from Force rares. Giving archers AC is not solving the problem, it's just turning them into a thief and really doesn't do that much for them. If they were going to die to a fencer before 40 AC, they will die with the extra AC anyway. Maybe add an additional effect to archer symbols, a +4 red symbol perhaps? Or one that upgrades along with the symbol, +1, +2, +3, +4. They have to do more damage than Thieves, obviously, but not to an extreme amount, or it unbalances everything.

Changing legend bows to Force instead of Distance would be a good step too. And I would say that calling a Force / Acc symbol 'crappy' is going a bit far. It makes itemizing for full power much easier. I'll hold you to that whole going Conqueror thing.

[Noeyesee]

Ali, what about a g5 force symbol, red rare?

[ArabianArrow]

Ali, what about a g5 force symbol, red rare?

I think that would be too overpowered don't you think?

@ Elmy: The force/accurate idea isn't crappy, what I meant to say was the grade on the force (G4). I think it should be higher.

[Noeyesee]

Too overpowered? no i dont think yet, but you know archer more then me. Let's says you make a full g5 set, you get g20+ 5. However, you will have 8x ac so you die to anything. With g25 you still won't be killing 200 + ac char. But, it should be enought to 1 ex thief, and they will 1 ex you also. Sound fair.

[ArabianArrow]

I just don't like giving my opinions regarding Archers because people will think I'm doing it for myself

[Noeyesee]

Well, everyone aggred archer sux.