Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

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Which Solution Do You Prefer?

Solution 1: Castable Only on Your Own Nation
12
92%
Solution 2: Curable/Preventable Like Other Curses
1
8%
 
Total votes: 13

Sentinel
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Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

Postby Sentinel » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:59 am

This has been discussed in the General forums, but I didn't see a post here in the Suggestions forums so I will make an "official" organized suggestion:

The Problem:
In Dragon Raja protection type spells can be used as if they were curse type spells. There are two primary protection spells that are commonly abused: Divine Blessing and Complete Sanctuary.

Divine Blessing is protection spell that offers very little protection. It provides no physical damage protection, no magic damage protection, only protection against a few curse spells. This makes the spell the ideal spell to cast on your enemy so that they are unable to have any useful protection spell, such as Save From Danger, cast upon them. Since Divine Blessing is classified as a protection spell, there is absolutely nothing your opponent can do, or have done to them, to remove the spell except logging out or changing maps.

Complete Sanctuary is also commonly used as a curse spell rather than a protection spell because it prevents the player from using any kind of offensive spells or skills. Complete Sanctuary, for example, can be used to prevent classes with piercing skills from using those piercing skills, thus making the players on your team who have Complete Sanctuary completely impossible to kill. Complete Sanctuary can also be cast upon higher level players that you know you can't kill, which causes them to be unable to use any attack spells or skills making them also unable to kill you even though they are a significantly higher level. In addition to only being removable by logging out or changing maps, Complete Sanctuary overrides most protection spells making it impossible for Warriors, Archers, and Thieves to protect themselves from it.

The Solution:
There are two possible solutions:

The first option is to make these two spells castable only on your own nation. By making these protection spells castable only on your own nation, if not all the time at least during war time, it eliminates the possibility of these spells being used as curse spells during war time, since war is primarily where the abuse occurs.

The second option is to make these two spells curable and preventable the same way that other curses are. This means that spells such as Protection and Save From Danger would prevent Complete Sanctuary from being cast on a player, and that spells such as Holy Cure and Remove Curse would remove Complete Sanctuary that was cast on a player. This would mean that these two spells are no longer without a counter.

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Atlantis
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Re: Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

Postby Atlantis » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:51 pm

Make a option for no change. I would prefer to select that, are you trying to rob me of my rights? ^_^
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Re: Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

Postby ArabianArrow » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:51 pm

Divine bless IS preventable. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

And poll needs more options.

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Re: Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

Postby Atlantis » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:59 pm

ArabianArrow wrote:Divine bless IS preventable. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

And poll needs more options.


Yeah this poll is more bias then my Yllse wins war poll, And that poll is 100% bias lol.
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Re: Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

Postby Gua » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:06 pm

Atlantis wrote:
ArabianArrow wrote:Divine bless IS preventable. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

And poll needs more options.


Yeah this poll is more bias then my Yllse wins war poll, And that poll is 100% bias lol.

Looks like an awesome poll to me. I give it thumbs up: (Y)

And no one said Divine Blessing wasn't preventable, the post said it wasn't removable. Learn to read?

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Re: Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

Postby Tensu » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:11 pm

Gua wrote:
Atlantis wrote:
ArabianArrow wrote:Divine bless IS preventable. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

And poll needs more options.


Yeah this poll is more bias then my Yllse wins war poll, And that poll is 100% bias lol.

Looks like an awesome poll to me. I give it thumbs up: (Y)

And no one said Divine Blessing wasn't preventable, the post said it wasn't removable. Learn to read?


if it's preventable, it doesnt need tweaking ...
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Re: Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

Postby ArabianArrow » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:18 pm

Gua wrote:
Atlantis wrote:
ArabianArrow wrote:Divine bless IS preventable. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

And poll needs more options.


Yeah this poll is more bias then my Yllse wins war poll, And that poll is 100% bias lol.

Looks like an awesome poll to me. I give it thumbs up: (Y)

And no one said Divine Blessing wasn't preventable, the post said it wasn't removable. Learn to read?


Learn to connect the dots?

PS:
Sentinel wrote:That's because Divine Blessing was also intended to be a defensive spell, just like SS. Divine Blessing isn't as big of an issue as SS because you can still use attack spells and skills if someone casts it on you, but it should be changed also since it is a worthless spell that has no role in the game other than to be abused. Any spell that is going to be used as a curse spell should also be curable/preventable like a curse spell, it's only fair. Either SS should only be castable on your own nation during war, or holy cure, remove curse, potions, etc, should remove SS from players.


Sigh... their everywhere.

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Re: Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

Postby Sentinel » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:25 pm

Tensu wrote:
Gua wrote:
Atlantis wrote:
Yeah this poll is more bias then my Yllse wins war poll, And that poll is 100% bias lol.

Looks like an awesome poll to me. I give it thumbs up: (Y)

And no one said Divine Blessing wasn't preventable, the post said it wasn't removable. Learn to read?


if it's preventable, it doesnt need tweaking ...

Well I don't care so much about Divine Blessing because I almost never see people abusing it, and you can still use attack spells and skills with it on you, but protection spells and curse spells need to be separate. Curse spells are curable for a reason, otherwise someone can just wear g20 curse rare and keep you stone you for 6 minutes and you might as well go AFK if it isn't curable. If you log out during war you lose any fame and dual fame that you earned. SS and Divine Blessing need to be protection spells and useable only on your own nation, or they can be curse spells but then they need to be curable like curse spells.

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Re: Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

Postby Gua » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:29 pm

ArabianArrow wrote:
Gua wrote:
Atlantis wrote:
Yeah this poll is more bias then my Yllse wins war poll, And that poll is 100% bias lol.

Looks like an awesome poll to me. I give it thumbs up: (Y)

And no one said Divine Blessing wasn't preventable, the post said it wasn't removable. Learn to read?


Learn to connect the dots?

Sigh... their everywhere.


Look who's talking. Come back when you understand the difference between there, their, and they're, and the difference between curse spells and protection spells.

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Re: Abuse of Protection Spells as Curse Spells

Postby amaroassad » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:30 pm

FIREBIRD MUST BE REMOVED ! IT GIVES ALOT OF DMG!!!!

REMOVE ALL SPELLS!!!
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