Ice Wave and Lightning Wave

[Tensu]

the fact is that wiz use a 72 magery magic to lvl whan thay are d1 d2 d3 d4 and d5. that is a fact !
anther fact is wiz use fw as ther main pvp magic yet again in d1 d2 d3 d4 and d5 (do not bs me with BL coz for it to kill u need to suprise ur opninet with the all 8 hits).

so ya wiz need more diversty in elments but thay need higher spells, i never seen in any game that use can stop addaing magic after thay got lvl 60 !

i use 5-tile to lvl till i hv bl cuz bl has more dmg and still a great amount of hits

and fw isnt the main pk spell at all, there's 3 spells normal mages use to pk a lot and fw is only 1 of them (with fb and bl). bl is the strongest spell in a wiz his arsenal so why wouldnt u use it in pk?

[LadyPhoenix]

lol. So it's all clear to me why you suck so much at pvp xD You only use fw to PvP? Most mage I know use fb, fw, cf, and bl. I guess I can't talk to you about BL because you never got D2+ before.

Second of all, 5tile is 78 magery magic.

Third, you never use Haste, Twinkle Star, Vampire Touch, Dragon scale, or firebird in PvP? Those are all level 60+ magic. Just because they're not offensive magic doesn't mean that PvP spells stop at level 60 magery.

Fourth, BL can kill people easily. Who says you need 8 hits to kill people? Maybe you need 8 hits to kill a priest with wings and max resist blaze but most people die at 1-2 hits except for warrior and priest.

[Silencer]

You're both wrong. 5 tile is 79 magery. LP doesn't play wiz that much so she's excused, but for someone so crazy about mages, I'm disappointed that you don't even know 5 tile magery requirements. I mean seriously, that's such a huge milestone that I'm surprised you remembered it wrong gro.

And about using FW only, gro is partially correct. After D2 or so, FW is the only spell you can really rely on to kill people, with the exception of BL. I'll be honest and say I don't have much experience with BL since I've never gone above d2. FB is good for lower levels and even against archers at D1, but even archers start to survive it later on. CF is good if you can position it right, but that's extremely hard, harder than FW. CF can do shit tons of damage if you know the correct tile positioning and specific movement, which means it'll practically never do much unless you stun your target and position yourself. FW has the best balance of number of hits, damage, and ease of positioning.

And DS should never be used in PvP, unless you're doing a 1v1 against a physical damage class. I don't hesitate to stun idiots using DS in mass pvp battles. I mean seriously, DS? If you have a priest in your party, ask him/her for SFD.

[ArabianArrow]

Mmmm I don't know about archers surviving FB, at all. My D3 archer wearing D3 G8 evasion armor died to Tybern's FB. To make sure it wasn't a lucky FB, we tried 5 times. I died in all

[BowL]

no idea but ..did priest/warrior/thief/archer hv more skills/spells to pk when he is d3 or d4 ?
n how about other class that dont hv new pk skills/spells at d3 ..so not fair for other class?

[Noeyesee]

Grofire main point was that their should be other good leveling spell. Getting the same spell to level from 62 to 150 just feel wrong to me. However, we can easly note the same about the other class.

So in the end, every class could/should get some new spell for diversity.

@ tensu: Bl doesn't worth anythng on leveling.

@ silencer: DS is totally amazing and is the main protection for mage. Fact are priest aren't a buff only class now, they became GOD in Pking, which mean by asking them for an sfd, they loose time, survability and maybe kill. Mage cast alot faster and know when their ds goes off.

About the stun thing, its another spell that should have a cd on it, because 3 of the 5 class (60%) cannot defend from it and auto loose when it's used against them.

[LadyPhoenix]

I learn lightning boom at level 15. I'll use it until level 150 to level with. Your point is? Boo hoo you stop getting new spells to level with at 6x...

[Noeyesee]

my point is , the BEST leveling skill is learned at level 62, wich mean you have to use it for a very long time.

Same apply to archer-thief, they only have 1 worthy attack to level up.

[LadyPhoenix]

So wizards learn the best leveling skill at 62. Archer/Thief learn it at level 2x. Wariors learn theirs at level 15. Priest never really get one. I don't see how this is an argument that wiz need new leveling spells more than any other class.

[Silencer]

Grofire main point was that their should be other good leveling spell. Getting the same spell to level from 62 to 150 just feel wrong to me. However, we can easly note the same about the other class.

So in the end, every class could/should get some new spell for diversity.

@ tensu: Bl doesn't worth anythng on leveling.

@ silencer: DS is totally amazing and is the main protection for mage. Fact are priest aren't a buff only class now, they became GOD in Pking, which mean by asking them for an sfd, they loose time, survability and maybe kill. Mage cast alot faster and know when their ds goes off.

About the stun thing, its another spell that should have a cd on it, because 3 of the 5 class (60%) cannot defend from it and auto loose when it's used against them.

You're not serious right? I'll have a blast cursing the shit out of all wizards that use DS, I guarantee you that. As it is, I always curse other wizards with either blind or slow. Now I can stun wizards if people actually use DS as their main protection spell. I'm not saying DS is an absolute no-no, but wizards should never use it in mass pvp simply because you'll get your ass cursed. And asking for SFD isn't hard. I always asked for SFD before we went in battle and they had no qualms doing it. I'm not stupid enough to ask them for SFD mid battle. If it's mid battle, I'll cast protection and suck it up.

I never stun classes that can't do anything about it, IE archer/warrior/thieves. The only time I stun is when I need to re-apply my buffs or add on slow to them, since slow's cast range is small. Either that, or run away.