More LG talk

[ccy]

if you view this matter from [collecting a single LG pc], then it should be difficult
but if you view this matter from [collecting full LG set with all the effects you want], then it shouldn't be that hard, and do not forget that you in fact need different item(s) to fight different match ups

why collecting full LG set with all the effects you want shouldn't be hard?
I don't understand. Isn't it the ultimate goal of the collection of the game?
I can foresee you/everyone else who once get the full set legend will be very inactive in the game.
Also, full LG set may not be the best set in every circumstances or match up and hand crafted rares still can still be quite useful in some match up.

My conclusion is that increasing legend drop rate from map will not help this server and attract more new/old players to this server.
Arguably, it is not benefiting the server. Imagine, you can ger everything you want from treasure map easily (i.e. full set of lg with your desire effects). Who gonna go maze and big maze anymore? we can do map whenever we want and the drop rate is better and no need to loot against other. What's the point of maze?

go tell the newbie in chinese section "hey dude, we are trying to make everthing difficult to get as be4. so that u wont leave the game easily.
and if u really want something so bad, u can buy from the market. paying ur money will get anything."

[kit8989]

go tell the newbie in chinese section "hey dude, we are trying to make everthing difficult to get as be4. so that u wont leave the game easily.
and if u really want something so bad, u can buy from the market. paying ur money will get anything."

If you want, you can go tell them
but remember what my point is about and don't misinterpret it
It is clearly not making thing difficult to get as before.
Treasure map is just released for few months and it already makes getting legend easier, especially d1 and d2 legend.
Also, the range of grade g6-g8 is already an improvement and the number of maze has increased.
Are they not improvements and making thing easier?
I do not agree increasing drop rate and range of legend from now on and I don't see where you can get the idea "trying to make everything difficult to get as be4" as it is already easier than the past without any further updates.

Anyway, this thread is kind of going off topic.

[ccy]

Making thing easier is never going to be the solution and improve the server.

[Limbo]

go tell the newbie in chinese section "hey dude, we are trying to make everthing difficult to get as be4. so that u wont leave the game easily.
and if u really want something so bad, u can buy from the market. paying ur money will get anything."

If you want, you can go tell them
but remember what my point is about and don't misinterpret it
It is clearly not making thing difficult to get as before.
Treasure map is just released for few months and it already makes getting legend easier, especially d1 and d2 legend.
Also, the range of grade g6-g8 is already an improvement and the number of maze has increased.
Are they not improvements and making thing easier?
I do not agree increasing drop rate and range of legend from now on and I don't see where you can get the idea "trying to make everything difficult to get as be4" as it is already easier than the past without any further updates.

Anyway, this thread is kind of going off topic.

You keep comparing the game to before as if it were in a healthy state. Like really, G3 minimum LG? The amount of dungeons we had before with 15 people fighting over 1 LG in dungeons is awful. If you have bad ping in these dungeons guess what? You're probably not going to get one of those items.These are changes that should have been in from the very beginning because no one in their right mind is going to walk around with a G3 LG. The game was absolutely f*** horrible before. Again let me ask you personally, how long do YOU think a player should play the game before they find a LG set? I've been playing the server for almost two years now going to 90% of dungeons and I have ONE LG that I can use on my priest. How much more do you want me to play to get the items I want? I'm barely finding legends yet alone a complete LG set.

[mofomaycry]

AA's quote of what I said still stands. We do want to add more to the set bonus so it stands out - better than crafted rares. We just haven't gone there yet.

A full d1 set is worth 36 grades. You can get 40 grades from a full g10 crafted rares set. That's a difference of 4 grades. It immediately flips when you get a d2 set, which can max out at 42 grades. D3 set maxes out at 48 grades. I don't think the issue is making d3 legends static at g8. The issue is the low drop rate combined with the random nature. The factors are class, pieces, rare effect, and grade level. Those factors are making the odds of collecting a full, desirable set impossibly high. We know this and we will address it down the road. All we can do right now is to ask for your patience.

Glad that GM understood the difficulty

[ArabianArrow]

Off Topic:
About Wise LG robe for priest, i just did a quick search in forum (not even including those trading in game and within a guild), I can already find few market threads about selling wise legend robe...so please fully use the search function in the future

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22248&p=124464&hilit=wise+robe#p124464
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22957&p=126470&hilit=wise+robe#p126470
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22255&p=124491&hilit=wise+robe#p124491
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24709&p=132774&hilit=wise+robe#p132774

Thanks for proving my point. The dates on those posts really don't help your side of the argument at all . Especially when you factor in the part where this server has been up for well over 5 years with 100's of players coming and going. You would have been better off not showing those... you shot yourself in the foot! Anyway, nice find! Let me jump into my time machine real quick so I can grab those sweet lgs.

And I myself sold a few of wise legend robes in this server in few years ago.

This proves nothing... too much information is missing from your point. We don't know how long you spent trying to get it, what % of mazes you won, etc.

I don't understand why you need to mention a specific item as I can't find a D3 G7-8 Speed/Masking robe in the community as well.
Do it link to increase drop rate and change all legend grade to G8? For me, it is not a convincing reason to be honest even i myself mainly play priest.
In your example, I actually a bit confused: do you suggest to have higher % or drop rate in wise effect specifically? Or suggesting higher drop rate in all Robe items? Or higher drop rate in all priest LG? Or even higher drop rate in all the LGs?

As increasing all the LG drop rate will change all the class and LG value (considering nowadays market place is already full of D2 G8 D3 G7-8 LG) and you might still not find your specific desire items.
One of the potential results of increasing lg drop rate is that the market place will be flooded by d3 lg but you may still not getting a wise robe as you may get all other lg items but just not wise.
Increasing drop rate for all legend items can have massive impact on the lg value and it is unfair for some players who spend quite a lot of money/RE on legend item.
Simply you want to get a specific item like g8 wise robe and then you suggest to increase the drop rate for all LG and need the whole server to suffer the outcome. I don't think it is reasonable (considering in both threads, both side opinions are like 50/50)

Sure, then let me explain it to you so you can understand. The wise robe wasn't the only legend, it was one example. Some other legends that we (me and my guild) haven't gotten over the span of 12 months include D3 G8 distant bows/knives (we have over 10 archers/thieves), D3 G8 warrior/priest/thief armors (maybe we got 1? Not sure, but we have over 14 players from these classes), and MANY MORE. As you can see, it's NOT only the wise robe. I was simply giving one example of the many items that are so rare to the point that some players think they're only a myth. Giving only one specific example allows me to go into greater detail with analogies and stats to back it up.

Just my own opinion, I agree with jss0216, kit8989 and proeel

The range of grade for LG G6-8 is fine...
With the legend rework, a lot of effects with G6 are actually quite useful if you compare the effect (time and %) with G8, G6 effect is actually quite similar
And you can always change to crafted rares G9/G10/Double rares if you want to have higher effect

So, D3 G6 is actually very useful in some effects and in some items

I hope you don't plan on being a salesman, because that was the worst sales pitch I've ever heard. G6-G8 is fine the same way dry bread and pizza is fine... THEY'RE NOT. They're completely different. The fact that you put them under the same label shows that you don't understand what a legend should be. You see... what irks me about you guys is you don't practice what you preach. You're like catholic priests who preach about ethics and good practices while you fiddle with little kids after your speeches.

I don't understand why you need to mention a specific item as I can't find a D3 G7-8 Speed/Masking robe in the community as well.

Why not G6?

Buying:
-D3 G8 Wise Priest LG Robe
-D3 G8 AC/Evasion/CA/Smart/Strike Robe
-D1-3 Priest LG G8 Speed Robe
-D1-3 Priest LG G8 Masking Robe
-D1-3 Priest LG G8 Aid or Masking Hat

Why not G6?

As title, want to Buy D3 G8 Wise Priest Legend Robe
pm me here if you have it for sell.
Also, pm me if you got d2 g8 or d3 g7 for the same effect.

Thanks.

Why not G6? Forget G6, why not D1?!
(And unlike the wise robe posts you linked, these were all taken from the front page.)

When a player sees a legend drop, they should feel ecstatic since they're so rare. And let me tell you, G6 is not ecstatic. Before a legend drops, you should be thinking "Which of my guild members will be lucky?! Will it be a fencing lg? Thief lg? Priest lg?" You should NOT be thinking "Will this be another garbage lg?" Your and proeel's counter argument? 'Even if the legend item is not the one you wanted, trade with other players'. Yet you yourselves aren't even looking for G6s because you know they hold no value. viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22116&p=123970#p123970 (unfortunately, proeel doesn't use his main account for trading items anymore so I can't get you more recent posts). Here's what you can do though; gather up with your buddies, come up with a better argument then try again.

Conclusion:
It's like mofo said, getting a single legend item isn't the goal. The goal is getting 4 pieces of legends that need to all match together. It needs to be the right class, the right dual grade (D1, D2, D3), the right dual symbol (LK, Paladin, etc), and the right rare effects if you want to get picky. As you can see, the stars need to align to get a completed set, so it's ALREADY EXTREMELY DIFFICULT even without having to make legend drop so hopelessly low.

[Metalarg]

with the amount of varietys, clases, and also the grades d1 d2 d3, legends must be at last g7 g8, no one will use g6 legend except for weapons force maybe ? or well in case of dont have the g9 on that part, also many times dungeons or scenario quest didnt drop a legend, or they drop items that nobody gona use, like for example boots d1 d2 d3 for priest warrior wizard unless they have speed as bonus set its pretty hard to wear knowing that you are sacrifice movility wich its vital for every class

[kit8989]

I think this post has enough; seems like despotism going on here again.
anyone have different view with you is "little kids", "crying"??
we pretty much saw every arguments for and against increasing drop rate.
Maybe Gm should lock it.

ArabianArrow you seems to not making a convincing point here but at least I get your view which is increasing drop rate.
You should focus on making your points clearly rather than taking things personal and off the focus.
First, You and mofomaycry try to interrupting my thread in market place. You don't need to do that to make others to see your points.
well, seem like you love to quote my market place threads here.
What I can say is yes, I am buying wise robe. You may say if the drop rate is fine, why can't you go to do it yourselves.
I make that thread only because I try to encourage exchanging on forum and just in case, if players who don't play priest and don't need the wise robe, they want to sell it, then they know who they can contact.
I can open a market thread for you and mofo if you guys continue to reply my thread on market place, no problem.
just give me a shout if you need my help

Second: quoting some of your words
"I hope you don't plan on being a salesman, because that was the worst sales pitch I've ever heard."
This is just subjective and useless statement. I can say the same: your pitch is the worst pitch I've ever heard. What's the point? It is only our personal view.

"what irks me about you guys is you don't practice what you preach. You're like catholic priests who preach about ethics and good practices while you fiddle with little kids after your speeches."
Well what's your point here? I simply don't understand what you are trying to say.

[muking]

Re ArabianArrow Ali
I actually really confuse with your points.
I need to ask so many times and no one seem to be able to tell me what is the main discussing point in this thread
After all your drama and blablabla, what is actually your main point?
"Suggesting all LG should be in G8? Or all LG should be G7-8? Or only dual 3 LG should be G8?
Or are you suggesting to increase LG drop rate? If yes, how much should it be? May be try to come up a number or be more specific at least?"

And every time when I read your post, you are actually providing a lot of drama and information/example which doesn't really help the discussion. However i do respect your opinion and views.
Remember, here is a suggestion section on forum and everyone can have their own opinion.
I mentioned my own opinion here which is I think LG G6-G8 is fine for me at the moment and I am currently using more than 1 G6 LGs in my main characters myself.
However, it just my own opinion and experience, everyone is different...Some players satisfy with G7-8 Set and some players want G9-10 full set.
I didn't ask for everyone to agree with and I do respect everyone's opinion from both side.
And the main point is I didn't arguing with you guys...I just state my own opinion here not even try to convince you.
So may be you can try to do the same and listen to other opinion?

Finally, I need to repeat again...Considering in both threads, both side opinions are seem half/half at the moment.
Both side have people agree and disagree

[ArabianArrow]

ArabianArrow you seems to not making a convincing point here but at least I get your view which is increasing drop rate.
You should focus on making your points clearly rather than taking things personal and off the focus.
First, You and mofomaycry try to interrupting my thread in market place. You don't need to do that to make others to see your points.

Interrupting? We don't want to see you become inactive out of boredom after you buy all the items you need, so we reminded you of your own words. After all, this game is much more enjoyable with more players. We bumped your post free of charge also... I would use PM but I think others can also benefit from your words of wisdom.

Second: quoting some of your words
"I hope you don't plan on being a salesman, because that was the worst sales pitch I've ever heard."
This is just subjective and useless statement. I can say the same: your pitch is the worst pitch I've ever heard. What's the point? It is only our personal view.

That's what opinions are... they are subjective. And yes, you can say I have the worst pitch you've ever heard. Just like you can say G6 is fine while you and the people who agree with you are only looking for G7s and G8s . Both sides can be valid in an argument, and in that case it comes down to which side has stronger points and counter-points.

"what irks me about you guys is you don't practice what you preach. You're like catholic priests who preach about ethics and good practices while you fiddle with little kids after your speeches."
Well what's your point here? I simply don't understand what you are trying to say.

My point here is you say G6 is fine yet you don't want G6s in your market posts. Not just you, but the people who agreed with you too. I guess if the minimum grade wasn't changed from G3 to G6, you would say G3 is fine as well?