some vd timer bug

[LadyPhoenix]

If someone asks about a specific bug or report about an abuse of it, we will give out our answers on an individual basis.

Why? If you tell information to 1 player only, I consider it corruption and bias towards that 1 player. It's the "if you don't ask, I don't tell" policy. How would you feel if your government told you that anything you do, COULD be in violation of a law but they refuse to tell you what the laws are. How do we know you're not making up these "rules" on the spot? It's not fun for players when you make rules as you see fit. If I ask you: Is it ok to do reverse fb? You tell me "yes, it's ok". Then I would have knowledge that other people do not have that would give me an unfair advantage in the game because I know I can safely use this bug whereas others may think that this bug is a big deal and won't do it.

I see people in VD who have bugged timer just afk in a safe spot while the party runs out. It's been accepted by the Dr community that GMs don't punish for this bug because it has never been punished in the past (history of DR) yet here you are telling me that it's punishable. Now maybe you said this "publicly" but 2 weeks from now, this post will be way far down buried in the forum archives and almost no one will remember you saying this. How is it fair that you give certain individual information that you do not announce to the whole server?

[Minipp]

Instead of arguing about whats a bug and whats not, GMs should fix the things that aren't acceptable.

If its doable right now, then use it! GMs should take the responsibility on getting such things fixed. The few MMOs I have played, if something is a bug, it gets fixed. If its not fixed, then people abuse it while they can. Its quite simple, its GMs responsibility to fix something not intended.

Thanks,
Minipp

[GMSignBreaker]

If someone asks about a specific bug or report about an abuse of it, we will give out our answers on an individual basis.

Why? If you tell information to 1 player only, I consider it corruption and bias towards that 1 player. It's the "if you don't ask, I don't tell" policy. How would you feel if your government told you that anything you do, COULD be in violation of a law but they refuse to tell you what the laws are. How do we know you're not making up these "rules" on the spot? It's not fun for players when you make rules as you see fit. If I ask you: Is it ok to do reverse fb? You tell me "yes, it's ok". Then I would have knowledge that other people do not have that would give me an unfair advantage in the game because I know I can safely use this bug whereas others may think that this bug is a big deal and won't do it.

I see people in VD who have bugged timer just afk in a safe spot while the party runs out. It's been accepted by the Dr community that GMs don't punish for this bug because it has never been punished in the past (history of DR) yet here you are telling me that it's punishable. Now maybe you said this "publicly" but 2 weeks from now, this post will be way far down buried in the forum archives and almost no one will remember you saying this. How is it fair that you give certain individual information that you do not announce to the whole server?

Corruption: guilty of dishonest practices, as bribery; lacking integrity; crooked: a corrupt judge.

Bias: a particular tendency or inclination, esp. one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question; prejudice

Please be careful to understand what the words mean before you throw them out. If a player asks if something is a bug abuse and we answer it, how is that bias to a specific person? If you want us (me) to take you seriously, then knock it off with the over exaggeration and straw man argument. To throw out corruption and bias in a simple matter of small bugs is ridiculous to the point where I'm surprised I'm even entertaining this little circus. And we are not making rules as we see fit. The rules are already established and we are following those rules.

If a particular bug that is known is determined to be an abuse punishable, we will let people know. The bug section was designed for lesser known bugs (and future bugs) and the exceptions clause was put in to deal with known, small bugs. That is the difference and that is the reason why we see things so differently. You're treating two different things the same without thinking of the nature of the bug. I am just as concerned about fairness as you are, but even I think the way you're stretching this is ridiculous.

[LadyPhoenix]

If a particular bug that is known is determined to be an abuse punishable, we will let people know.

BUG ABUSING IS AGAINST THE RULES
if you know something causes a bug, DONT DO IT or you might get banned

ps: if you dont get a timer the right thing is to walk back outside and go do it again. Theres no excuse

How are you going to let us know? By posting 1 line in a thread that will get buried in a week? I'm sure even in 1 month's time most people won't know that not going out of vd when your timer is bugged is punishable and is bug abuse. If you actually "let us know" then I wouldn't be arguing with you. You fail to notify the payers as to what's not allowed. I suggested for you to list out the bugs that are and aren't allowed but you won't do that. So how are you going to notify us?

[GMNyx]

People will recieve 1 warning for abusing the bug

[GMSignBreaker]

If a particular bug that is known is determined to be an abuse punishable, we will let people know.

BUG ABUSING IS AGAINST THE RULES
if you know something causes a bug, DONT DO IT or you might get banned

ps: if you dont get a timer the right thing is to walk back outside and go do it again. Theres no excuse

How are you going to let us know? By posting 1 line in a thread that will get buried in a week? I'm sure even in 1 month's time most people won't know that not going out of vd when your timer is bugged is punishable and is bug abuse. If you actually "let us know" then I wouldn't be arguing with you. You fail to notify the payers as to what's not allowed. I suggested for you to list out the bugs that are and aren't allowed but you won't do that. So how are you going to notify us?

There is a reason why we warn... Instant, first offense bans are rare.

[LadyPhoenix]

Why should people get warned for doing something that is not listed as being wrong?

[GMSignBreaker]

Warning is used to make sure that the person knows he/she is doing something wrong. I don't get how people think warning is a punishment. It's not so please stop thinking like that. It's to ensure that the player in question is informed of the consequences of the practice and to ensure the GM team knows that person knows he/she is doing something wrong. Punitive actions will follow from that warning. Only reason why hacking is instant/first offense is because it's fairly obvious what hacking entails.

[LadyPhoenix]

Warning is used to make sure that the person knows he/she is doing something wrong.

So to be told what the rules are, we have to break the rules first.

Most other places make strict rules then give a punishment if the rules are broken on the first offence. I guess you need some kind of excuse to explain why nothing is being implemented/fixed

[Karvinen]

use common sense wat bug abuse is, clearly everyone who goes to vd more than 2 times realizes theres a timer on every room and when u dont get one its a bug