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Re: Server update

Postby täisdibla » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:15 am

Toni wrote:Why? What are you more affraid of, pepsi or ac drop?

Horn of Iceberg is by far the more powerful skill, in absolutely any scenario except thief vs thief/archer 1v1 without buffs.

Not to mention thieves have invisibility, poison nova and tyberns available along their main ice tree. But lets not start that comparison again, shall we? Because it's very obvious which class has a better overall skillset. :)

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Re: Server update

Postby muking » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:22 pm

täisdibla wrote:
Toni wrote:Why? What are you more affraid of, pepsi or ac drop?

Horn of Iceberg is by far the more powerful skill, in absolutely any scenario except thief vs thief/archer 1v1 without buffs.

Not to mention thieves have invisibility, poison nova and tyberns available along their main ice tree. But lets not start that comparison again, shall we? Because it's very obvious which class has a better overall skillset. :)


Invisibility, pepsi, poison, high attack, damage, move really fast (not pepsi or slow), high damage in hitting stone and iceberg!
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Re: Server update

Postby Toni » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:16 pm

You are beware of that my question was very specific, and was pointing at you as a Priest.

"Why? What are you more affraid of, pepsi or ac drop?"

I think you will have a harder time killingl an Archer with 200 tt's full force who keeps droping your AC, rather than a Thief who's pepsieng/poisoning you.
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Re: Server update

Postby muking » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:02 pm

After pepsi, ppl walk very slow and even cant casting for priest. You can do nothing except got rape or just normal hit!
AC drop is decrease your ac, ya its easy to killing priest, however, i still didn't really familar with this system.
If u really want my specific answer, i will said both are terrible of priest!
One is easy killing u and one is easy to rape and u can do nothing after it!
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Re: Server update

Postby Dragonrajashop » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:12 pm

There are so many options to prevent from 'getting raped'.

You have speed potions. You have holy cure to remove pepsi. Use a strike & counter attack set to use for normal hit. There are counters for everything, it's whether or not you use them at the correct time.

If you are out numbered in these situations, then you need to make new friends and get teammates to help you out. I believe if players learned how to help each other and use teammwork, there would be a lot less crying about 'balancing' classes.
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Re: Server update

Postby täisdibla » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:21 pm

Toni wrote:You are beware of that my question was very specific, and was pointing at you as a Priest.

"Why? What are you more affraid of, pepsi or ac drop?"

I think you will have a harder time killingl an Archer with 200 tt's full force who keeps droping your AC, rather than a Thief who's pepsieng/poisoning you.

And my answer was in absolutely any scenario except for 1v1 with archers and other thieves. It includes your specific priest case.

Killing an archer with 200 TTs full force who AC drops you is MUCH easier than killing a thief who will pepsi you then simply blast away at you with distant and robber rares.
In an open environment, priests can't even catch my archer. What the hell will you do against a thief when you're pepsied?
You play a thief, you should know this very well. You just seem to take pepsi as a given as someone's always using it. :roll:

About using speedpotions, indeed, that is a good counter, but often there are people who only pepsi you and nothing more until they consume all of those potions. :)

There is also a counter for archer's AC drop. Use an AC candle or agility candle, or invalid magic potion.

There's a counter for EVERYTHING, but when comparing the 2 skills in any case, pepsi is definitely better. :)

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Re: Server update

Postby Dragonrajashop » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:34 pm

About using speedpotions, indeed, that is a good counter, but often there are people who only pepsi you and nothing more until they consume all of those potions.


But in a simple scenario...

1 Priest, 1 Thief, 1 Archer, 1 Warrior, 1 Mage
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1 Priest, 1 Thief, 1 Archer, 1 Warrior, 1 Mage

... All 5 classes have their roles in PVP in a teamwork environment. If a player has ice shield, AC drop is better am I right? These type of situations where each class has their roles. Each class has a play style that should go along with it.

This is why you have seen so many powerful 'small' guilds, able to take on 20-30+ other players. You have classes that can support, constant pressure, support + constant pressure. A lot of players think so small, that they compare class skills in a wrong fashion.

Now that AC drop was implemented. Archers now have an extra role in PVP.

Right time, right place... So many counters to each scenario. That's what makes the game fun! USE TEAMWORK!
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Re: Server update

Postby Dragonrajashop » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:49 pm

I'd like to elaborate a little

Killing an archer with 200 TTs full force who AC drops you is MUCH easier than killing a thief who will pepsi you then simply blast away at you with distant and robber rares.
In an open environment, priests can't even catch my archer. What the hell will you do against a thief when you're pepsied?
You play a thief, you should know this very well. You just seem to take pepsi as a given as someone's always using it. :roll:

About using speedpotions, indeed, that is a good counter, but often there are people who only pepsi you and nothing more until they consume all of those potions. :)


Of course, these are small scenarios. I'm assuming these are 1 on 1 scenarios the way you described them.

If he is pepsing you, and blasting away at you with distant and robbert rares, means he is currently not pepsing you. Means, use a speed potion.

If you are constantly getting pepsied and nothing more. Don't use speed potions until they leave you. Also means, If they are pepsing you, means they are doing no damage.

If you are getting 2 vs 1, then that's where the class balance has to stop because you are being outnumbered. Now, it's based on pure skill of the player. If you are 2 vs 2, then your partner in this situation needs to keep constant pressure on one of the opposite opponents to prevent any major damage.

Sigh, people think so small.
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Re: Server update

Postby kador » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:14 pm

täisdibla wrote:In an open environment, priests can't even catch my archer. What the hell will you do against a thief when you're pepsied?


Thats exactly ArabianArrow's technic...
When I cast LD, he runs like a little girl, and come back after pot/cast and hit me :P
And I'm not saying He is wrong about that :greet:

Oh btw.: about the roles... What's the actual Priest role, and what was it supposed to be? :cry:
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Re: Server update

Postby Dragonrajashop » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:30 pm

kador wrote:
täisdibla wrote:In an open environment, priests can't even catch my archer. What the hell will you do against a thief when you're pepsied?


Thats exactly ArabianArrow's technic...
When I cast LD, he runs like a little girl, and come back after pot/cast and hit me :P
And I'm not saying He is wrong about that :greet:

Oh btw.: about the roles... What's the actual Priest role, and what was it supposed to be? :cry:


Priest role is quite simple really. Support, Constant Pressure, & Being Smart

Support, would be Z, SFD, Remove Blind & Holy Cure.
Constant Pressure, would be Life Drain, Holy Bless, Blind, Divine Curse, & Hitting opponent.
Being Smart, would be knowing when to use certain Rare in a situation. AC, Smart, Counter, Strike, Evasion, Ect
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