Special Letter to the Community

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Re: Special Letter to the Community

Postby Minipp » Mon May 03, 2010 8:20 pm

Noeyesee wrote:I can understand shayne, after being a so long time at licking arabianarrow butt that you do not trust on anyone. Get your nose out of there and you will meat/get to know some good people who doesn't need to lie everytime about what they do in game. Some people who doesn't need to try to get any advantage of every situation.


@kamos: I never asked you for any respect, you made it by your own. Every accusation i made on DR BR were right and ZT was approving it, so there was no drama. Now that the accusation goes against ZT, it make a whole huge drama. Let's talk together in a year, you will see who was right.


Proacker has spoken! "Now that the ACCUSATION goes against ZT". There was solid proof about adrenaline on DR BR. Where is the solid proof about ZT here?

Sweet, the server will be alive in a year. Proacker has spoken again!

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Re: Special Letter to the Community

Postby grofire » Mon May 03, 2010 9:09 pm

GMSB is a lier same as SP and pispress, want evdince to that ? u all said all the GM said i afk, what if i show u all now that u lieing ? want that ? just say yes plz in god name say yes so i can emmberess u infront of all this comunty

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Re: Special Letter to the Community

Postby GMPsipress » Mon May 03, 2010 9:11 pm

grofire wrote:GMSB is a lier same as SP and pispress, want evdince to that ? u all said all the GM said i afk, what if i show u all now that u lieing ? want that ? just say yes plz in god name say yes so i can emmberess u infront of all this comunty


Yes please. And please use the same date/time you got banned. Not previous times before.

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Re: Special Letter to the Community

Postby grofire » Mon May 03, 2010 9:22 pm

GMPsipress wrote:
grofire wrote:GMSB is a lier same as SP and pispress, want evdince to that ? u all said all the GM said i afk, what if i show u all now that u lieing ? want that ? just say yes plz in god name say yes so i can emmberess u infront of all this comunty


Yes please. And please use the same date/time you got banned. Not previous times before.

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liers and crouption exsept for 1 GM good luck lieing now
as u can see GMNyx did belive i didn't afk and rase it to a vote and u all said no evan tho u knew i didn't afk.

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Re: Special Letter to the Community

Postby LadyPhoenix » Mon May 03, 2010 9:26 pm

GMSignBreaker wrote: If you want to leave, the door is to your right.


DRG was made to get away from the corrupt actions and history of previous servers. DRG was supposed to have new ideals and revolutionize Dragon Raja by embracing the community. What happened to the dream of having a server where new players would fall in love with DR like we all did so long ago and we would not have to use the motto I quoted above? Maybe I was alone in sharing that dream... but I still consider that quote as a very DRBR-like mind set. grofire and proacker may talk out of their asses a lot, but you still can't deny the fact that they have contributed positively to the community in some way.

proacker: about the technical support, you have to understand that the GM team cannot endorse having players add someone to their msn outside of the game and sometimes allowing that person to remote control their computer.

To the GM team: You are not respected because you are not professional. I know probably better than anyone else about your situation... but the majority of players are not in my shoes. All they see is failed deadlines. Bugs. Problems not solved. Player issues not solved. GMs that argue with players on the forum. You can help 100 payers but if 1 person's problem isn't solved, it's that 1 person that will make a ruckus and the community will see. Be more professional and perhaps the community will stop doubting you.
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Re: Special Letter to the Community

Postby GMSignBreaker » Mon May 03, 2010 9:59 pm

LadyPhoenix wrote:
GMSignBreaker wrote: If you want to leave, the door is to your right.


DRG was made to get away from the corrupt actions and history of previous servers. DRG was supposed to have new ideals and revolutionize Dragon Raja by embracing the community. What happened to the dream of having a server where new players would fall in love with DR like we all did so long ago and we would not have to use the motto I quoted above? Maybe I was alone in sharing that dream... but I still consider that quote as a very previous servers-like mind set. grofire and proacker may talk out of their asses a lot, but you still can't deny the fact that they have contributed positively to the community in some way.

proacker: about the technical support, you have to understand that the GM team cannot endorse having players add someone to their msn outside of the game and sometimes allowing that person to remote control their computer.

To the GM team: You are not respected because you are not professional. I know probably better than anyone else about your situation... but the majority of players are not in my shoes. All they see is failed deadlines. Bugs. Problems not solved. Player issues not solved. GMs that argue with players on the forum. You can help 100 payers but if 1 person's problem isn't solved, it's that 1 person that will make a ruckus and the community will see. Be more professional and perhaps the community will stop doubting you.


If you wish for us to be professional about this, we would close/delete every single complaint thread instead of engaging it. Instead, I have tried to bridge the gap and misunderstandings. But when you get a few vocal players saying unreasonable stuff, then that goes out of the window. Failed deadlines, bugs, and unsolved problems are nothing new. Every game goes through such ordeal. And how can you blame us for such negativity? When we ban players for breaking the rules, we get called out on being incompetent and corrupt. That is PRECISELY why we are "not respected." And as a matter of fact, I will say grofire and proacker has NOT contributed in a positive manner to the server. All they do is raise hell and talk out of their asses, to quote you directly. And if you really know better than anyone else about our situation, then you would not be saying the stuff you are saying.

If you actually look at the ruckus, it isn't the one player's problem that isn't being solved that is causing the ruckus. Please carefully go back and search through all the ruckuses caused by the few vocal players. That's right, they're ALL about someone being banned. The only point I will concede to is engaging in argument with players. That is precisely what I have tried to avoid. But there's a line that needs to be drawn on how much misinformation and negativity we will tolerate. That line has been drawn, crossed, and dealt with. I will call people out on their misinformation and negativity. Part of being a community GM is not only answering questions and engaging in positive communications, it's also dealing with negative propaganda. I could deal with that by deleting every single one of their posts, but that is only evading the problem.

If these players really did want to contribute and not merely spread negativity, they would engage us through PM about why they think we were wrong. But they are doing it in public so that they can cause ruckus and spread misinformation. I've already dealt with players complaining through the PM system and even though I disagreed with them, I had respect for them to go through the proper communication channels to address their grievances. Part of the reason why I made this topic was to combat the misinformation and negativity and contain it all in one thread.

It may not seem like it, but we are disciplined and organized when it comes to dealing with bans. Part of that discipline is not throwing out screenshots and logs to prove a player deserved the ban. That would make things much easier for us, but it also opens up a can of worms. That is the reason why we are so disciplined about it.

And this is my message to people who got banned and their friends: stop hacking, stop AFK leveling, and you won't be banned. Tell your friends not to engage in such behavior and everyone will be happy. We do not forgive hackers period.

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Re: Special Letter to the Community

Postby grofire » Mon May 03, 2010 10:10 pm

GMSignBreaker wrote:
If you wish for us to be professional about this, we would close/delete every single complaint thread instead of engaging it. Instead, I have tried to bridge the gap and misunderstandings. But when you get a few vocal players saying unreasonable stuff, then that goes out of the window. Failed deadlines, bugs, and unsolved problems are nothing new. Every game goes through such ordeal. And how can you blame us for such negativity? When we ban players for breaking the rules, we get called out on being incompetent and corrupt. That is PRECISELY why we are "not respected." And as a matter of fact, I will say grofire and proacker has NOT contributed in a positive manner to the server. All they do is raise hell and talk out of their asses, to quote you directly. And if you really know better than anyone else about our situation, then you would not be saying the stuff you are saying.

If you actually look at the ruckus, it isn't the one player's problem that isn't being solved that is causing the ruckus. Please carefully go back and search through all the ruckuses caused by the few vocal players. That's right, they're ALL about someone being banned. The only point I will concede to is engaging in argument with players. That is precisely what I have tried to avoid. But there's a line that needs to be drawn on how much misinformation and negativity we will tolerate. That line has been drawn, crossed, and dealt with. I will call people out on their misinformation and negativity. Part of being a community GM is not only answering questions and engaging in positive communications, it's also dealing with negative propaganda. I could deal with that by deleting every single one of their posts, but that is only evading the problem.

If these players really did want to contribute and not merely spread negativity, they would engage us through PM about why they think we were wrong. But they are doing it in public so that they can cause ruckus and spread misinformation. I've already dealt with players complaining through the PM system and even though I disagreed with them, I had respect for them to go through the proper communication channels to address their grievances. Part of the reason why I made this topic was to combat the misinformation and negativity and contain it all in one thread.

It may not seem like it, but we are disciplined and organized when it comes to dealing with bans. Part of that discipline is not throwing out screenshots and logs to prove a player deserved the ban. That would make things much easier for us, but it also opens up a can of worms. That is the reason why we are so disciplined about it.

And this is my message to people who got banned and their friends: stop hacking, stop AFK leveling, and you won't be banned. Tell your friends not to engage in such behavior and everyone will be happy. We have a zero tolerance policy towards hackers and that will not change (yes, I said zero tolerance inb4 corruption charges).

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y not faceing my acusshaen ? u wanted evdince to ur lies here thay are up infront og LP post. start try to get out of ur lies.

we we do not PM u ? coz whan we do its easer to push it under the rage, its easy to say: " u did hace/afk/mustrbute" and then do nothing, we post on forem to make sure evry one if this players that going to pay for ur chips will know that it might happend to him, crossing some GMs might get u unfarly baned and so on.

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Re: Special Letter to the Community

Postby LadyPhoenix » Mon May 03, 2010 10:16 pm

proacker hasn't done anything for the community? There are a dozen players that he's helped with technical problems on getting the game to run before and after you became a GM. Just because he doesn't go "look! I done good. Reward pl0x" doesn't mean he doesn't do anything. People are passionate about what they are care. If someone is going to take the time out of their day to post on these forums, then at least it shows he gives a damn about the game.

Bridging the gap between players and GMs means keeping your cool and not joining in on the flame wars or insults. When a GMs starts to talk like a player, players lose respect for you. You can give facts without letting personal opinions get into your words. I know it's harder than it sounds but that should be your goal. You're never going to get rid of negative propaganda as long as players are unhappy and players will always be unhappy about something. Just accept the fact that there will always be rumors as long as 1 side dominates over another side in game. If you want to really want to stop most of the complaining about GM being bias, find some way to balance the game in-game so that the majority of players stop thinking GMs favor 1 guild because they're the "strongest" guild at the moment.
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Re: Special Letter to the Community

Postby GMSignBreaker » Mon May 03, 2010 10:34 pm

LadyPhoenix wrote:proacker hasn't done anything for the community? There are a dozen players that he's helped with technical problems on getting the game to run before and after you became a GM. Just because he doesn't go "look! I done good. Reward pl0x" doesn't mean he doesn't do anything. People are passionate about what they are care. If someone is going to take the time out of their day to post on these forums, then at least it shows he gives a damn about the game.

Bridging the gap between players and GMs means keeping your cool and not joining in on the flame wars or insults. When a GMs starts to talk like a player, players lose respect for you. You can give facts without letting personal opinions get into your words. I know it's harder than it sounds but that should be your goal. You're never going to get rid of negative propaganda as long as players are unhappy and players will always be unhappy about something. Just accept the fact that there will always be rumors as long as 1 side dominates over another side in game. If you want to really want to stop most of the complaining about GM being bias, find some way to balance the game in-game so that the majority of players stop thinking GMs favor 1 guild because they're the "strongest" guild at the moment.


Point taken about non-native speakers misunderstanding. Hope you don't mind me editing.

I've kept my cool and it was a calculated decision to let loose in this thread. I have made this thread for a purpose and that is to fully engage in an honest way with everyone and contain it in one thread. And what I mean by "contributing positively" is an overall sense, not individual actions. He may have been helpful in the technical section, but his misinformation and negativity far outweighs his contributions.

And if you have any suggestions to "balance" the game because of one strong guild, then please do give it to me. The only way we can do that is breaking up ZT forcefully, and you know that is not the right way to go. I constantly remind GMSP of his mistake of exposing himself every time I hear claims of favoritism for ZT. It is unfair for the GM team to be used as a political tool for inter-guild conflicts, and that is precisely how we are being used. We do not have any actions that show any favoritism towards ZT, and yet by the virtue of ONE GM being in ZT leads to corruption charges. The only time you will ever hear me be this open is in this thread and this thread only. Refer to the above paragraph on why. And if people knew my in game character, all claims of ZT favoritism will become a laughing joke. All I will tell you is that I am NOT in ZT period, as well as every other GM except for GMSP. If players wish to continue using us as a political tool when we have come out openly on the facts, then that is out of our hands.

Grofire: That proves nothing. All it proves was that GMNyx thought there might be more investigation to go through and he merely expressed his first impression. That isn't damning evidence, in case you think it is. The GM team went through it and we had a consensus that your ban should stay. It does not show we are corrupt, it only shows that we were willing to go the extra mile.

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Re: Special Letter to the Community

Postby GMPsipress » Mon May 03, 2010 10:46 pm

Grofire,

Thanks for this 'Evidence' as you may call it. What this 'Evidence' shows is nothing. This does not show you were not AFK. This does not show you didn't insult the GM. What this does show, is how you manipulated the GMs words. We will wait GMNyx to explain what he really knew and found out from his own investigation.

Until then, this does not show any evidence that we weren't justified by banning your account for AFK leveling and insulting a GM.

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