Yllse or Vyseus?

[LadyPhoenix]

Most people are like sheep. They're easily herded. People want to be great and succeed and if there is a way for them to be part of the success, they will try to be part of that success. Even if people don't necessarily agree with the authority, they will still follow the rules just so that they can be part of the success. Look at the government. People moan and groan about it all the time but still follow the rules instead of just moving to a new country or run away (if they can). They know that if they stay, they will in turn benefit too.

[Noeyesee]

so?

[Atlantis]

Most people are like sheep. They're easily herded. People want to be great and succeed and if there is a way for them to be part of the success, they will try to be part of that success. Even if people don't necessarily agree with the authority, they will still follow the rules just so that they can be part of the success. Look at the government. People moan and groan about it all the time but still follow the rules instead of just moving to a new country or run away (if they can). They know that if they stay, they will in turn benefit too.

does that mean your coming to yllse? lol


and i agree somewhat with silencer. We wont get every guild combined in yllse i doubt they will do that in any nation there will always be some small guilds. But if we can get everyone on the same page for war that would be nice.

[Elmy]

Under normal circumstances... I might agree.

Now however... Most of us older ones that have stuck around have seen success and greatness. It's not why we play anymore. When it comes to Yllse, I think, at least, that its come down to most of us just being tired that it never stands on its own two feet. Most of us genuinely don't even want to be the one(s) to lead, either.

Even I was / am willing to bend a knee for it, and I'm fairly inflexible. I still can hardly believe that so many different high level Yllse players will be found in one guild come live.

That might not be true of those who will join just to be in a good guild, but getting the old dogs together in the first place is a feat in itself. And old dogs don't care about being in a good guild, because they understand that, DR being what it is, a single individual can make that much of a difference

[Atlantis]

Under normal circumstances... I might agree.

Now however... Most of us older ones that have stuck around have seen success and greatness. It's not why we play anymore. When it comes to Yllse, I think, at least, that its come down to most of us just being tired that it never stands on its own two feet. Most of us genuinely don't even want to be the one(s) to lead, either.

Even I was / am willing to bend a knee for it, and I'm fairly inflexible. I still can hardly believe that so many different high level Yllse players will be found in one guild come live.

That might not be true of those who will join just to be in a good guild, but getting the old dogs together in the first place is a feat in itself. And old dogs don't care about being in a good guild, because they understand that, DR being what it is, a single individual can make that much of a difference

We put to much on all the old players. Yes i respect that most of us people have been on alot of servers and know the game very well and what it takes to win. But take any new player and teach him and show him what to do and hes just as good as the old player. So if you get 10 legends in 1 guild a guild with 20 noobs +1 legend will do better.

So lets not stress the fact that we want all the old players even tho we do. Lets also look for those new people that want to be great players and not make them feel like they do not matter.

just my 2 cents.

[Elmy]

But take any new player and teach him and show him what to do and hes just as good as the old player. So if you get 10 legends in 1 guild a guild with 20 noobs +1 legend will do better.

I won't agree to this any time soon, so we will just have to agree to disagree here. If I had to put numbers on it, I would say that 3 legends could take out 20 noobs, and they probably wouldn't break a sweat doing it. There are certain names that one just comes to recognize as people who excel above others throughout the servers when it comes to PKing. And others that never do.

And yes, by all means. Let us train these new players... but first I'd say we have to find them. Because they certainly aren't playing Dragon Raja.

[Atlantis]

But take any new player and teach him and show him what to do and hes just as good as the old player. So if you get 10 legends in 1 guild a guild with 20 noobs +1 legend will do better.

I won't agree to this any time soon, so we will just have to agree to disagree here. If I had to put numbers on it, I would say that 3 legends could take out 20 noobs, and they probably wouldn't break a sweat doing it. There are certain names that one just comes to recognize as people who excel above others throughout the servers when it comes to PKing. And others that never do.

And yes, by all means. Let us train these new players... but first I'd say we have to find them. Because they certainly aren't playing Dragon Raja.

3 legends vs 20 noobs and the legends would win yes. But 3 legends vs 20 well trained new player and the legends would be done for. We know there are a few new ones just from posts on the forums. We also know that yllse is the nation that new people go to. I just think we need to invest more thoughts into these new people that do show up. If we dont then we are just cocky elitest that think we are better then everyone else. And thats what the dr community needs to move away from so we can get new people that WILL want to stay.

The legends i remember are the ones that even when i was a noob took care of me, gave me respect, and taught me how to play.

But i agree we can agree to disagree i'm just trying to get my view out there.

[grofire]

sorry but i agree with elmy, evan with a well trained new comer, the old vetren will win, take me for exsmple, i know evry hole and evry hide out in this game, evry evant that related to find something i exsile it, and its show in the fast that i can lvl whan a new server start, i bet i can show u thing that u never seen or belived in the game....
the only problom i see with yllse is the interer fighting, ther is should be NO inside fighting, no metter what and y, as a nation we do not fight well togther, but as u can see many times whan we do work togther not only we win we crash the enamy.

[LadyPhoenix]

I'm with Atlantis on this. If someone is willing to learn, willing to not give up, and willing to follow instructions, then they can be just as good or better than veterans. CK's motto used to be "noobs are the future" (back when I gave a shit about helping every noob on the streets). We helped noobs to love the game and be the legends of the future. All legends started somewhere. What makes us old players is that we learned from our mistakes first hand. What's to stop us from passing on our knowledge so that the new players don't need to make the same mistakes? In DR-Int.my (first one), almost everyone was CC or lower with noob rares because most people didn't know how to get d1+ and didn't know the best places to grind. We didn't know about macros. On NR, people were able to get D1 within the first month because they learned from their mistakes.

CK has maybe less than 5 players that started out in the original CK in DR-Int. Me, Elenia, Varrin, Warden, Harlequin (so so sorry if I missed you). Out of those 5, only me, Elenia, and Varrin played actively through NR and previous servers. Everyone else in my guild I met in the new servers. The majority of them I met while they were under CC. Some of the most noticeable people from NR are Bonecracker, JuNyP, and Shahirrim. I met all of them while they were noobs. By the end of NR, they could go 1 on 1 with some of the hackers and legends. I won't take credit for their success but I was able to be there to guide them and let them learn from my mistakes so that they don't repeat them.

3 legends vs 20 noobs might not win a BATTLE but they can certainly win the WAR. CK has almost always been full of noobs. What made us successful in war is that people listened. When I tell them to go defend, they go. When I tell someone to go hit another stone as a diversion to split the enemy defense team, they do it. When I tell them to wait and charge together, they wait. It's not all about brute strength and PvP skills. It's about working as a team and communicating. That's also what Yllse lacks the most.

I think the biggest problem for yllse is that everyone wants to be a hero and be a 1 man army. There's lots of small guilds. Personally, I hate nations with only 1 large guild. Yes, having 1 large guild makes the nation strong in war times, but in a large guild there's lots of drama. What if you don't agree with the philosophy of the 1 large guild? Then you need to either suck it up or be a loner. Having lots of small guilds lets people be themselves, follow their beliefs, and find their own community.

[grofire]

no one talk about that, the new comers can be leagend but its not the same, to learn and exprinse by ur self things and learn it by urself, any one can learn from the sites all about the lvling places wich monster fit ur lvl how to becom d1 and so on, the one that difrnce from the vetrian and from the new ppl is the small things, the right cords to get 10 monsters and not 8, the best way to cast spells, the best pits and dbl pits, and so many things that can be tought but i do not belive will get the same resolt.

about yllse, i do not care if its a big guild nation or small guilds, like Yin one time told me, its dosn't metter how many time ther guild work togther some times thay can't win, but whan the ather ppl that have no guild or from diffrent guild join the war, we not only win we win seiftly.

i can give u anther exsimple, whan CSing won the king thrown and him and me was corssing one the ather, and won't helping eitch ather, his guild was domnating must of the wars like a manth or 2, but somthing happend and zyf started to win, and in the first times whan i was killed CSing and his guild wouldn't ress me or my guild mate and we never ress or z or done anything to help them, and one war whan CSing was sure he will win it, all the zyf player join and start maskiting yllse, only whan thay ritch sedless he diccdied to ress me, this war we lost but the one after, whan from the start bouth of use help by ressing and z and what ever, we won evan thoe it was the same players like the first war, and evan thow it was a harsh war.