Archers Bugs - Promises

[WizardOfdraziW]

for me is enuff to know that you dont know how to double ex, that means you are a unskilled player. Why do you get mad when im telling the truth?

"1 or 2 extreme fire ( i repeat : i dont know how to manipulate this bug every time i want) cant kill D4 warriors or D4 priest , using D4 archers full tactics"

Cmon dude a single d1 can kill dual 4 priests with low tactics.. you wrong.

[Titus]

for me is enuff to know that you dont know how to double ex, that means you are a unskilled player. Why do you get mad when im telling the truth?

"1 or 2 extreme fire ( i repeat : i dont know how to manipulate this bug every time i want) cant kill D4 warriors or D4 priest , using D4 archers full tactics"

Cmon dude a single d1 can kill dual 4 priests with low tactics.. you wrong.

1)Please stop with spam and offtopic
2)why u said im mad? A 17 years old kid cant get me mad, specially one without education like you.
3) You are not telling the truth, you are just a scammer same as colo, you hate me because now your scamm busines is not working as before.
4) Those who use multiples cheats, and have many scammed items like you on Total0wnage, can kill easy a D4 priest . Those who dont use cheats have a low chance to kill a D4 priest or warrior if that player have some good items and tactics.
5) The fact that i dont try to manipulate a bug, dont make me an unskilled player. As i said before, you dont have education, and have many bad influences, thats why u cant understand many things. Looks like you dont have brain too.
6) as i said to many no brain and no education like you, im not going to waste more time answering you. its clear you are just a scammer and a cheater. You have luck this forum have no moderators and noone take care what happend inside game.

To Gms: please answer Tonys question and my question about numbers ( demostrate how more damage will be unbalance) . Dont stop posting here because of offtopic spammers. This was a post about bugs, please tell me with numbers why the Extreme fire should not be increased in damage.

Please delete or bann to those who just come to spamm and destroy posts. This community dont need of those no brain losers.

[WizardOfdraziW]

"I DONT MANIPULATE BUGS" gtfo dude there are several years double extreme is a accepted gameplay skill....
If someone use cheats, you show the evidence or report it to GMs otherwise close ur crappy mouth.
Why the only thing you can say is "you scammer, you use drugs, you pay fake university, you cheater"
Im 17 years old and its enuff to know you are a non-mature person, always offtopic talking about people´s family or people´s studies without know anything.
Here you are offtopic, you need learn to post in the right forum sections.


As we all know how ignorant you are, we forgive you in advance.


Do your own mats:

A player who doesnt have high tactics.
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A player who doesnt have good items.
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A player who doesnt have high level.
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A player who doesnt even know how to double extreme.
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A Noob player.





Why you keep spamming and spamming you doesnt deserve anything.

[Titus]

Please, can any gm or moderator delete or bann this kid? After that, read the post of those who want a serius discusion . Without order its complety useless a forum.

[GMTempest]

Please, can any gm or moderator delete or bann this kid? After that, read the post of those who want a serius discusion . Without order its complety useless a forum.

Actually, he has never insulted you once. He only said that knowing double extreme is important. You were the first to insult him by implying he has no brain and no education. Anyway, in response to the lack of moderation I'm going to be more strict towards flaming and insults to each other until the new mod arrives.

As for the math. At this moment a G15 Force, Max TT, with Zerk archer against another person with 200 AC and SFD can just kill them with a full double ex (Granted no life rares or warrior class). Against the same target without SFD, they can do around 90k damage with double extreme. A 40% increase becomes nearly 130k damage and with SFD around 80k damage. At this point, I'd also like to note that in real PK, it's not uncommon for you to hit the target once before the use of double extreme bug so you can add a extra hit to the formula, and even more time's for more damage. With the above combined with AC drop (implying a 20 AC drop), you're looking at around 110k Damage double extreme No zerk or SFD.

But that above is only in relation to a 40% damage increase, which is only available at Dual 5. I have said it is near impossible for us to do a 40% damage increase and if it were to be fixed, the damage increase would be smaller.

[Titus]

Please, can any gm or moderator delete or bann this kid? After that, read the post of those who want a serius discusion . Without order its complety useless a forum.

Actually, he has never insulted you once. He only said that knowing double extreme is important. You were the first to insult him by implying he has no brain and no education. Anyway, in response to the lack of moderation I'm going to be more strict towards flaming and insults to each other until the new mod arrives.

As for the math. At this moment a G15 Force, Max TT, with Zerk archer against another person with 200 AC and SFD can just kill them with a full double ex (Granted no life rares or warrior class). Against the same target without SFD, they can do around 90k damage with double extreme. A 40% increase becomes nearly 130k damage and with SFD around 80k damage. At this point, I'd also like to note that in real PK, it's not uncommon for you to hit the target once before the use of double extreme bug so you can add a extra hit to the formula, and even more time's for more damage. With the above combined with AC drop (implying a 20 AC drop), you're looking at around 110k Damage double extreme No zerk or SFD.

But that above is only in relation to a 40% damage increase, which is only available at Dual 5. I have said it is near impossible for us to do a 40% damage increase and if it were to be fixed, the damage increase would be smaller.

Well, looks like you should read again all post. You said he never insult me? did you read all post?
I insult him because i said he have no brain an education? What kind of GM are you?
He said Stupid , very stupid, and others insults, he spam and never post something related to bugs , maths or suggestions.

About archer damage:

With zerk , G20 force, fire bow ,atack mantle , 200tt and 2 FULL DOBLE Extreme( with a low probability of succes) an archer can do MAX 410k damage to a target without AC.(Full atack no defense). This is max damage, with all items max atack power in all hits and never failing a hit.

If we fight against someone with 210 AC (70% damage reduction) and sfd(40% damage reduction after AC) , it gives a damage reduction of 82% . So we only do 18% damage, that is 74k Damage, with max damage from every item and without failing a single hit ( you have 1% of chance to do this).

If we come to reality, we have to consider that oponents can use Smart , and without smart archer can fail some hits, so extreme damage have a low chance to be full, if we succes on 7/8 hits we are luckys. The atack mantle not always gives 48 damage. So if we use average damage, an 2 lucky extremes, archers can do to a 210AC +sfd char : 60k Damage, insuficente to kill a D3 warrior with full con. If enemy have smart damage go down more and more.

I have accuarate simbol, and only a few times have a full extreme. I made some test with my archer and numbers are correct, same comment was made by torment. If enemy have more than 210 AC, damage will go down really fast.

So i think giving 40% damage for a D5 is not out of balance.

[GMTempest]

He essentially said "No offense, you're stupid and here's why". That's not flaming. It's done everywhere.

Anyways, you can't look at 1 situation and say balanced. You merely looked at warriors. What about other characters? And for warriors to get both 210 AC and smart, they have to sacrifice some slots. In fact, the effort and sacrifice it takes for them to get both is more than the effort it takes to make the candle. Lastly, if you want to talk about balance, 40% isn't even balance. A d5 warrior has 82k HP max CON. Your calculation shows 64k damage, the difference is a 28.5% increase to kill them. NOT a 40% increase. It'll would be even less with the new AC drop skill.

Edit: Scratch that last part. Misread. It's 36%, not much different from 40%. That's assuming with smart. If you use candle, the increase required is merely..11%, with the use of a single candle it doesn't become very balanced does it?

[Titus]

He essentially said "No offense, you're stupid and here's why". That's not flaming. It's done everywhere.

Anyways, you can't look at 1 situation and say balanced. You merely looked at warriors. What about other characters? And for warriors to get both 210 AC and smart, they have to sacrifice some slots. In fact, the effort and sacrifice it takes for them to get both is more than the effort it takes to make the candle. Lastly, if you want to talk about balance, 40% isn't even balance. A d5 warrior has 82k HP max CON. Your calculation shows 64k damage, the difference is a 28.5% increase to kill them. NOT a 40% increase. It'll would be even less with the new AC drop skill.

We dont have the AC drop skill, we dont know how much AC will drop. BTW archer sacrifice all item to be full force, a D1 thief, archer,wizard,priest or warrior can kill him easily if archers goes on max force.

Archer can do 60K damage if he make 2 perfects extrems ( i call perfect 7/8) , and with all items at max random power, the chance is close to 1% .

If u give 40% will kill a D5 warrior 1% of times, with doble ex and all power .
Torment vs cell , torments makes 12k damage with 1 extreme fire. You can test that.

[Titus]

Well looks like we have diferent numbers, and a diferent education. Somene who said with capital letter u are stupid, its an insult for me. If it is done everywere, that place have many people without education.

If you fix critical rares, introduce a Good AC reduction skill , and clean forums, game will be a litle more balanced and with better people. Lets hope this server dont die without those changes.


Ooo i saw this recently:

Also, a warning to both of you, Titus and Charles. Next time one of you two flame each other it's a ban.


To late, and you forget to put many people in the list, specially those who start insulting the other part.

[Charles]

He essentially said "No offense, you're stupid and here's why". That's not flaming. It's done everywhere.

Anyways, you can't look at 1 situation and say balanced. You merely looked at warriors. What about other characters? And for warriors to get both 210 AC and smart, they have to sacrifice some slots. In fact, the effort and sacrifice it takes for them to get both is more than the effort it takes to make the candle. Lastly, if you want to talk about balance, 40% isn't even balance. A d5 warrior has 82k HP max CON. Your calculation shows 64k damage, the difference is a 28.5% increase to kill them. NOT a 40% increase. It'll would be even less with the new AC drop skill.

We dont have the AC drop skill, we dont know how much AC will drop. BTW archer sacrifice all item to be full force, a D1 thief, archer,wizard,priest or warrior can kill him easily if archers goes on max force.

Archer can do 60K damage if he make 2 perfects extrems ( i call perfect 7/8) , and with all items at max random power, the chance is close to 1% .

If u give 40% will kill a D5 warrior 1% of times, with doble ex and all power .
Torment vs cell , torments makes 12k damage with 1 extreme fire. You can test that.

Sry to say, but this post is quite noobish, imo u want compensate titus lack of skills with 1hit kill any class? im warrior, i got dhp n strike rares, but what about wiz or priest?

titus, have u ever lvl a priest or a warrior ur own? u got no idea how hard it is and now u want make them shitty? 1hit can kill? this is awesomly stupid, sry to say but it is...


those archer who dont know how to play, aka alemo1000, hannie1, wensday, try talk with torment, puffpuff, i dont think they would be mad to give u sometips, coz he gave me some even to me =) and learn to play...


PS: warrior need tons of rares, archer just force think about it dude, go lvl up, make rares instead of try make ur char stronger just crying in forum...


not offence mod, just trying to get this shit clear coz is awesome this guy n hes hilarious comments...


God bless u all! =)