Warrior EX skills Fix

[jesse]

The following 2 skills have been bugged, or should i say never finished since the first introdution of the game. It was the original game designers' fault.

extream lightning - it says 50% damage increase, but actually does only 50% of normal damage.
extream wind - it says damage increase 30% , but actually does 30% of normal damage.

Reason to fix or implement them:

- Warrior is the only class that has their end game skills bugged. Compare to other classes, they all have their end game skills/spells active and powerful.

- Fixing these will bring more balance to weapons like double axe/ sword/grapple, as these weapons can deal high ex damage. It will bring more variety in to ths game, We all like the cool looks of 2h weapons, but there is no reason to use them atm.

- Now Strike/CA + support skill is some warrior's only option, since warriors have no mass damage skills, and not everyone has max tt to kill. This isnt fair.

Warriors deserve their extream skills, doesnt have to be very powerful, but atlease resonable.

[SuMMeR]

And when you do Extreme Lightning while moving, it seems that there wont be any damage done from the Lightning.

[jesse]

bump

[Thomas]

Jesse, also the extream for archer and thief should do extra damage (description says 20% increase) but is instead normal damage.
Also ex lvl2, lvl3 are disabled and give no gain. For 180tt g21,5 force archer there is allready difficult to kill d1 -d2 warrior not to mention how impossible it is to kill d4.
lets say archer does 21k damage to tt pole with z , to a 220ac warrior this damage is reduced to 5670 damage and even more reduced to 3400 damage if warrior uses lightning shield (40% reduction) and even less if he has sfd.
That is 27k damage with 1ex - not even considering smart possibility. a D4 warrior is how much hp 70-75k ?

Fencing warrior does incredible damage already and so does 2h axe with double strike, not choosing 2hand weapons is your choice for preferring ac over damage, 2h mace damage for example is 281 plus 15ac compared to 1h sword 215 or spear 235 that will have shield 36-41ac(depending your dual class) - thats 45-65 more attack power over 21-26ac -is the choice you have to make. There are also rares that drain hp corresponding to your max hp, these items on d4 warrior who uses tybern are extremely powerful allready( g10 drain 20% of your max hp).

Why make allready overpowered class even worse without balancing other classes, i think warrior ex skills right now are useless like some earth skills but general sence entire pvp needs tweaks and balance(like duration of curse spells, bugged skills, priest pvp spells). In other pvp games this is constantly done but in dr it has been pretty much the same for 10 years - with a few exeptions ofcourse.

[SuMMeR]

Like you said, Archer could make drain hp rares too. It does not fix to use only force + ac rares. And i don't see why warrior is overpower, G18 Force + G8 Desire/Robber enough to take down a D4 warrior with 16x tt on full ex if desire/robber activate 2 times or even more.

[Thomas]

Full ex with this can do around 45 000 damage (2x 20% robber 10k+ 25k ex) - considering it is d4 class with 50k hp.
In comparision 115k hp with tybern is 23k robber hit and 5-9k normal hit - not to mention you can tybern, roses and robber same time
so lets calculate if you hit 2roses (second and last full) and get 2 robber hits = 46k robber + 9900 (first rose)+ 15000(second rose) = 70900 - thats allmost enough to kill another warrior 4

Desire rare doesent seem to be that effective vs ac since it drains as you deal damage, g8 desire = 155% , hence if you deal 3000 damage ex the drained hp will be 4500.

[jesse]

Thomas, I've read all you wrote and put a conclution here for what u were telling : Its difficult for archers to kill warriors.

Does it have anything to do with fixing warrior class's bugged skills? This is a suggestion thread for fixing bugged skills, not a thread asking to buff warriors.

Compare ex skills between warriors and archers:

Archer ex skills: does normal damage (not +20% so its also bugged), but it strikes 8 shots at once and can be doubled, It is being used by all D1+ archers.

Warrior ex skills: does 50% of normal damage, not even as good as normal lvling skill, it is not being used by any warriors.
This is not even reasonable. Im not asking to buff this skill to make it 150% of normal damage, at lease it has to be good enough to call an "ex" skill.

[jesse]

Thomas, I've read all you wrote and put a conclution here for what u were telling : Its difficult for archers to kill warriors.

Does it have anything to do with fixing warrior class's bugged skills? This is a suggestion thread for fixing bugged skills, not a thread asking to buff warriors.

Compare ex skills between warriors and archers:

Archer ex skills: does normal damage (not +20% so its also bugged), but it strikes 8 shots at once and can be doubled, It is being used by all D1+ archers.

Warrior ex skills: does 50% of normal damage, not even as good as normal lvling skill, it is abandoned by all warriors.
This is not even reasonable. Im not asking to buff this skill to make it 150% of normal damage, at lease it has to be good enough to call an "ex" skill.

[Thomas]

No, what im saying is that it is possible for warrior to do more damage when discarding ac and using robber+force, also other weapons/skils are usable - not just spear+pepsi+ca build as you describe.
By taking pepsi you discard possibility of haste and double slash that can be used together to do good damage, it seems to me that you just want warriors to be able to do more damage in pvp + still pepsi and have alot of defence , g18force +g8robber+double axe with double strike hits pretty hard not to mention that haste+167 shoes make you as fast as thief/archer- why not try playing barbarian for a change?
Buffing ex skill = buffing warrior.

Archer is supposed to be best damage dealer class with sacrifice of all defence - is the reason i compared damage and defence.
Yes, i agree that ex skills and earth skills right now are pretty plain useless but fixing skills for archer should come firsthand since they got right now only two useful skills - ex and multi.

[SuMMeR]

In other way mean that Archer should be buff 1st as priority compare to other class?