Community Input on Horn of Iceberg Nerf

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agree

bored of ppl who only use freeze

[täisdibla]

I always carry speed pots+ I use ice armor, but I still want to see it nerfed.

[Silencer]

I've played wizard while being pepsied. It doesn't interrupt every single time because of pepsi. Quit over-exaggerating. 'Everyone's hitting me' sounds like you're already outnumbered. Well, that's a disadvantage and it can't be countered, let's change that, right? You could say 'people usually target wizards first', then again, that means no one is attacking the rest of your pk team, which leaves the pepsier's team wide open for attacks. Why can't you ex ice/fire? Both classes can counter pepsi with ice-shield. If they have a buff that's a sacrifice their making. Priests can cast LD. Not to mention, most priests wear Counter rares. They can just be tanking their hits making the opposing side eat pots. Again... you're over-exaggerating.

Looks like these are all personal problems that you're experiencing as I've never felt pepsi should be nerfed this badly. Perhaps you need to get better and stronger so you can KILL THE PEPSIER MAYBE? Just maybe...

PS: Do you think defood is equally as cheap as pepsi? If not, why have they both been nerfered to the same degree? If yes, then .

Yeah sure I'm over exaggerating about EVERY single cast. But it's pretty damn often it interrupts. Don't need to be outnumbered to have everyone hitting on you. You always kill the easiest target first, and in this case it's the one with pepsi on him/her. Take your pick, would you focus fire an archer that is not pepsi'd or an archer that is pepsi'd?

I actually think defood is better off than pepsi because defood is easy to counter. Just keep eating food and it will have NO effect on you whatsoever. Pepsi on the other hand, you can keep chugging those speed pots and it won't matter because it'll be right back on you.

Speed recovery potions: You have LOTS of them. No excuse. Start picking them up. There's a reason all other classes are faster than warriors. Utilize your speed once you get out of pepsi. Simple.
Resist ice: Its a trade off, much like using PFM makes you vulnerable to warriors. Do you expect to have a counter for every spell / skill on at all times? Rediculous.
Ice shield: Archers and thieves can both utilize this counter. Did you know that? Once again, its a trade off. Do you expect to be free from curses and free from everything else at the same time? Use proper tactics to play the game. Use your teammates to their maximum potential. Thieves and archers are much faster than warriors. Utilize this. Not to mention, thieves and archers can drop warriors very quickly.
Holy cure: I listed this to show that priests too have a counter. If your pepsid, a priest can remove it, if your too lazy to use your speed pots. Why do you need to be standing still. Holy cure has a wide area of effect. You should have better teamwork with your group and this won't be a problem.

Speed recovery potions: Yeah I have a lot of them. Do you want me to carry around 50 of them each time I PK? I'm sorry but I do need other shit in my inventory too. Thanks.
Resist ice: Yes and I'm not stupid enough to use PFM. So just because I want a counter to pepsi while not being one shotted by archers/thieves/warriors means I want a counter to every skill/spell? Great logic. Again, show me a wizard using resist ice and I'll show you a dead wizard in 5 seconds. Not a counter if it defeats the purpose isn't it?
Ice shield: 2/5. Great. Thanks. Tell me how it goes for the other classes.
Holy cure: I wonder what takes longer, a priest casting holy cure for everyone or a pepsi warrior/thief constantly putting it right back on.

Your listing counters, but I asked for valid counters that can actually be used by everyone, like defood's counter being carry some damn food (which every class can do). Speed pots are the same as food, but look above for the reasoning why I'm not grouping them the same.

You are faster than warriors. Seriously. Use FB and counterattack rare. Play smart. Archers/thieves can definitely move close enough to ex ice/fire. Where do you even get this? I've seen SEVERAL pepsi warriors die in battle, REPEATEDLY. You CAN cast LD. Seriously, smarten up.

LOL I'm faster than a warrior with pepsi on? What are you smoking? And play smart eh? Using FB and counter attack rares to kill warriors. LOL. The only thing that can consistently kill warriors after D1 (when they get endu etc) is a well placed FW (except for non-shield warriors). Perhaps I'm exaggerating. I'll admit that much. But the core of my argument remains the same.

Not my fault you don't want to utilize ALL the available options. IMO you deserve to die to pepsiers if all you do is complain and ignore alternatives. You can cast slow on pepsiers without sfd, blind on those with sfd.

The problem with pepsi is that it is spammable. I agree with reducing the charge to 1 but NOT with increasing the CP usage so greatly to 15. Someone uses 4 speed pots and the warriors already out 60 cp. -_-

Available versus valid are two different things. That's why I underlined the word "valid." The only valid tactic you guys have shown is ice shield, and that can only be utilized by two classes. I do utilize alternatives or else how am I listing them here? I carry speed pots around and I have used resist ice believe it or not. Except when someone like fayen or kid does an ex ice and doesn't even hit you and you die because two of their hits (11k per hit?) found you, then that obviously isn't working isn't it? Or when you get double slashed even once and 4/5ths of your HP is gone in an instant (reason why I'm not stupid enough to use PFM). As much as I over exaggerated, don't give me that bullshit about resist ice being a valid counter because it simply isn't. You open yourself up way too much to even use it. It's like telling your troops 500 years ago to completely cover yourself with steel so you don't get shot down by the arrows raining down on you. A counter to make sure you don't get pierced by an arrow, sure, but can you move? Can you attack? I hate using analogies as they're full of flaws, but that conveys basically what I mean by the difference between just a counter and having a valid counter. Perhaps I should change the word valid to reasonable or workable.

And I agree with you that the problem with pepsi is that it's spammable. PRECISELY why I'm rejecting your argument that speed recovery potions is a valid counter. Like put forth by others, perhaps making speed recovery potions give an immunity for a few seconds would be great. Then they wouldn't have to even reduce the charges to 1 and increase the cost. But if they make speed pots work like that then you pretty much screw over the skill itself.

[ArabianArrow]

I actually think defood is better off than pepsi because defood is easy to counter. Just keep eating food and it will have NO effect on you whatsoever. Pepsi on the other hand, you can keep chugging those speed pots and it won't matter because it'll be right back on you.

I read up to here then stopped. Perhaps you can explain this before I read any further, because this really makes no sense to me. Sorry. ~_~

[Shayne]

I actually think defood is better off than pepsi because defood is easy to counter. Just keep eating food and it will have NO effect on you whatsoever. Pepsi on the other hand, you can keep chugging those speed pots and it won't matter because it'll be right back on you.

I read up to here then stopped. Perhaps you can explain this before I read any further, because this really makes no sense to me. Sorry. ~_~

Lol same here. Defood can be put right back on you too.

You say that you have lots of speed recovery potions but you need space in your bag for other stuff and that's why it's not valid? Lmao..please. Speed pots are in ample supply on this server, and your fault if you don't want to use them for their rightful purpose. I never said that you are faster than a warrior with pepsi on. Please read that again. I'm saying wizards are faster than warriors. Wizards are one of the fastest classes in DR. If you are pepsied, drink a speed pot, and use your speed (with haste) to evade the warrior, and you will find it VERY EASY to position yourself for a full FW. It seems you are not a very experienced wizard. So no wonder you are exaggerating and crying so much. Not to mention, Counter + Basic rares with a nice FB or CF on a warrior that is on your ass is very effective. Try it out.

Archers and thieves have ice shield. Almost every other class have a huge speed advantage over warrior, and EVERY class has access to an abundance of speed potions. There are other alternatives too, which depend on the situation that you're in. Play smart. Simple.

[Kamos]

I think what Silencer means is that with defood, you lose a portion of food (that yellow bar) but you can still run away as long as the bar doesn't go entirely black.
When you get pepsi on you, you immediately slow down a lot, you can drink a speed pot and attempt to run away, but when you've drunk one the next pepsi is on your arse again and you're slow again, it's much harder to get away once pepsi'd. Right?

[春哥原地复活]

if make a denerf of iceberg,then gms should remove the speed recovery potion and make the holy cure unable to cure iced status.

[Silencer]

I actually think defood is better off than pepsi because defood is easy to counter. Just keep eating food and it will have NO effect on you whatsoever. Pepsi on the other hand, you can keep chugging those speed pots and it won't matter because it'll be right back on you.

I read up to here then stopped. Perhaps you can explain this before I read any further, because this really makes no sense to me. Sorry. ~_~

Lol same here. Defood can be put right back on you too.

You say that you have lots of speed recovery potions but you need space in your bag for other stuff and that's why it's not valid? Lmao..please. Speed pots are in ample supply on this server, and your fault if you don't want to use them for their rightful purpose. I never said that you are faster than a warrior with pepsi on. Please read that again. I'm saying wizards are faster than warriors. Wizards are one of the fastest classes in DR. If you are pepsied, drink a speed pot, and use your speed (with haste) to evade the warrior, and you will find it VERY EASY to position yourself for a full FW. It seems you are not a very experienced wizard. So no wonder you are exaggerating and crying so much. Not to mention, Counter + Basic rares with a nice FB or CF on a warrior that is on your ass is very effective. Try it out.

Archers and thieves have ice shield. Almost every other class have a huge speed advantage over warrior, and EVERY class has access to an abundance of speed potions. There are other alternatives too, which depend on the situation that you're in. Play smart. Simple.

@Arab: see kamos post.

Want to read my post again? I'm not going to bother replying to you if your reading comprehension is the level of a 2nd grade kid. And sure I'll run away after drinking a pot. That works great against thieves since they switch back to knives. That's a valid tactic. Except when you have a permanent pepsi warrior/thief that continuously hits you with pepsi. Even you admitted it. Here, I'll quote you.

The problem with pepsi is that it is spammable.

No amount of speed pots are useful when pepsi is spammable.

And give me a way to kill warriors with counter + basic with no magic vigor. Even with high tactic, that's going to do shit damage against a warrior. It seems like you think we have unlimited rare slots or we can somehow have all g10s on us. Rare slots are limited and basic resist without much vigor is pretty limited in what it can do. If you're talking about high tactics mages, then you're also talking about high level warriors who pretty much have points in endurance. And yes, I'm sure I'm an unexperienced wizard You make me laugh.

Archers and thieves have ice shield. Almost every other class have a huge speed advantage over warrior, and EVERY class has access to an abundance of speed potions. There are other alternatives too, which depend on the situation that you're in. Play smart. Simple.

2/5. Speed advantage is shit when you got pepsi on you. Abundance of speed potions are shit when pepsi is spammable. Other alternatives have been covered by me. You sound like a broken record when I countered it all. Use your brains. Simple.

[ArabianArrow]

Not to be cocky, egotistic or anything but, I'm not gonna sit here and teach you how to play a wizard step by step.

PS: You double posted twice. Go and give yourself a warning.

[Shayne]

Lol retard. Try not to keep posting twice in a row, if that's not too hard for you. I did say that the problem with pepsi is that it is spammable. However, it can be overcome in PK. It is not an immobilizing skill with no way to counter it, such as ss (which had no alternative counter). There are people with G9s already on this server, so take your head out of your ass. There is a G8 basic resist legend. There's PLENTY of spots to make a perfect anti-warrior set on a wizard (Including MV). You just need to use your brain and learn more about rares and how to PK. And once again, you failed to get my point that almost every class is faster than warrior. I am not trying to say that you are faster than warrior when YOU ARE PEPSIED. You keep saying this, this is not my point. That is retarded. OF COURSE you wont be faster WHILE pepsid. That is why you make use of your speed recovery pots AT THE RIGHT TIME, gain some distance and then eliminate your opponent by keeping your distance. Once again, it is not hard to use a couple speed pots, run ahead and position a beautiful FW in the direction of the warrior is it? Not to mention, with haste and NO PEPSI, you run fast enough that the warrior has no chance of reaching you. If you know what your doing, speed pots are useful EVEN if pepsi is spammable. I can't believe someone as arrogant and with such little knowledge about the game such as yourself, is a GM. Pathetic. Get your head out your ass. You make me laugh. Direct some of this energy towards doing your job properly.