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[Tensu]

just so u all know tho, there hv been yllse players trying to mine our sards aswell... so it isnt only vys going yllse and i bet there proly yllse going zyp aswell

[Silencer]

You're probably right. And that's all the more reason there should be something done about it. Plundering another nation's resources shouldn't be easy, let alone PROTECTED by NK.

[Jarlaxle]

just so u all know tho, there hv been yllse players trying to mine our sards aswell... so it isnt only vys going yllse and i bet there proly yllse going zyp aswell

Cuz you take all of ours most likely. We are forced to go to other towns. If gms make it where jobs are inactive in enemy nations solve all our problems.

[Jarlaxle]

The fact that you don't see how mino and mining pits correlate boggles my mind too.

I see it as crutch you use for an excuse to mine other nations. If yllse didn't go to mmd there would be another excuse.

[LadyPhoenix]

First of all, I don't personally go to yllse to get resources.

1. you can PK the person with little to no consequence if they are at your mino pits.
sedless is not in town. You don't get NK for pking there. Neither do you get NK for pking in naruchen.

2. mining pits are rare and take time to respawn, whereas mino pits respawn fast and again
you spend 20 minutes to mine out the diamond pits in yllse that will respawn within 2-3 hours. You come to mmd for 2 hours to level. Same 2 hours that the resource is taken.

3. the resource argument fails for the simple reason that diamonds are a much rarer resource than minos.
If our mino pits aren't as rare, why do you come to mmd in the first place? Why not go to light dungeon? It's because it's faster exp with bigger pits. There are only 2 good mino circuits in all of Vyseus. There's 20+ diamond spots in yllse. 2 < 20.

4. there are other mino pits you can go to, whereas for mining, the slow respawn rate means that if there's none left, you have no alternative.
There are other ways to get sards. You don't NEED to get diamonds. You can do butcher or cutting. If you're getting diamonds to make rares, you can always make blue waters. It's crummy but so is going to great grassland and killing the 3-4 mino pits there.

5. If you want to mine our diamonds, mine it in sedless where we can actually PK you just like you guys can PK us back if we're at your mino pits.
the fact that there ARE diamonds in baratan in the first place means that your miners aren't doing a good job at mining them. It takes about 5 minutes to run from vys to baratan. In those 5 minutes your miners could clean the baratan mining pits. If Vys comes and pks you while you mine, well then they will have NK and you can pk them back.

[Jarlaxle]

I've seen vys level in our pits as well so guess that voids your statement that we only go to your town so you have every right to steal our diamonds.

[LadyPhoenix]

I've seen vys level in our pits as well so guess that voids your statement that we only go to your town so you have every right to steal our diamonds.

just so u all know tho, there hv been yllse players trying to mine our sards aswell... so it isnt only vys going yllse and i bet there proly yllse going zyp aswell

it goes both ways for mining too.

[Silencer]

First of all, I don't personally go to yllse to get resources.

1. you can PK the person with little to no consequence if they are at your mino pits.
sedless is not in town. You don't get NK for pking there. Neither do you get NK for pking in naruchen.

2. mining pits are rare and take time to respawn, whereas mino pits respawn fast and again
you spend 20 minutes to mine out the diamond pits in yllse that will respawn within 2-3 hours. You come to mmd for 2 hours to level. Same 2 hours that the resource is taken.

3. the resource argument fails for the simple reason that diamonds are a much rarer resource than minos.
If our mino pits aren't as rare, why do you come to mmd in the first place? Why not go to light dungeon? It's because it's faster exp with bigger pits. There are only 2 good mino circuits in all of Vyseus. There's 20+ diamond spots in yllse. 2 < 20.

4. there are other mino pits you can go to, whereas for mining, the slow respawn rate means that if there's none left, you have no alternative.
There are other ways to get sards. You don't NEED to get diamonds. You can do butcher or cutting. If you're getting diamonds to make rares, you can always make blue waters. It's crummy but so is going to great grassland and killing the 3-4 mino pits there.

5. If you want to mine our diamonds, mine it in sedless where we can actually PK you just like you guys can PK us back if we're at your mino pits.
the fact that there ARE diamonds in baratan in the first place means that your miners aren't doing a good job at mining them. It takes about 5 minutes to run from vys to baratan. In those 5 minutes your miners could clean the baratan mining pits. If Vys comes and pks you while you mine, well then they will have NK and you can pk them back.

Seems like you don't like to read, or your logic is fabulously flawed.

1. I'm talking about BARANTAN, where the vast majority of vyseus stays to mine. What stupid person would go to another nation's map to mine their diamonds in a zone where they can get PKed? If I wanted to mine your diamonds, I sure as hell wouldn't be stupid to mine it in a PK area when I can safely mine in your town.

2. Your argument rests on the ground that mino pits = diamond pits. That is simply looking at this whole issue on the most generalized, lowest common denominator way. How the hell can you compare those two simply because they are "resources?" You are also assuming that there's one yllse and one vyseus competing for 30 diamond pits, where this issue wouldn't even matter. That's simply not the case. Even amongst yllseans, we are having a hard time finding an empty diamond pit. So 2 < 20, but 1) you can PK whoever is in your mino pit whereas we can't PK you if you're in barantan mining our pits and 2) those 20 means jackshit if they're empty all the time because we are constantly competing amongst ourselves in ADDITION to vyseus people.

3. It is clear cut that you are simply arguing for arguments sake. You know for a fact that the vast majority of your arguments are stupid. Would you make blue waters for your g5+ force rares? I sure as hell hope so, considering what argument you're putting forth. And your point about 3-4 minos in great grassland only serves to undermine your own argument in the context of the blue water argument. I love you LP!!

4. Getting a diamond spot is all about luck, in other words, who gets to it first. It's not about who does a good job on getting the pits. And since when did we argue about vyseus PKing in our town? Are you really pretty as you sound? Who in their right minds would open themselves for an attack when they want to plunder our diamonds? If I went to vyseus main town to mine diamonds, I sure as hell wouldn't be stupid enough to kill someone and get NK, opening myself up for attacks by other people.

And no shit it goes both ways, that's why we are arguing for something to be done about this. While our experience with my best friends always mining our diamond pits is a motivation for our call, it is also an affirmation that it's unfair for other nations to plunder our resources PROTECTED by something called NK. Allow us to PK other nations in our maps and I assure you, you won't be in our maps mining. Go to sedless and go to barantan and you'll know what I mean.

Any more hot studs for me to knock down???

[LadyPhoenix]

1. I've never mined in Baratan so I don't know how it's set up but why can't you stand next to a Vys miner and just pick up the diamonds while he mines? He can't pk you because he'll get NK (if he does you can pk back). That might just piss him off enough to stop doing it.

2. my argument rests in the grounds that places for FAST exp at levels 85-100 are as rare as diamonds. See #1 in reference to PKing.

3. I don't want to wear blue waters and you don't want to level at slow pits. The blue waters was an example that there ARE alternatives.

4. Are there really more Vys miners than Yllse miners in Baratan? How many Yllse check the Baratan mines each day compared to Vys ones? If you're saying it's all luck, then the probability for a yllse miner to get sards is much higher than the probability of a vys getting it. If you find a vys mining your mines, refer to number 1. If you just show up and see empty mines, then how do you know it's not a yllse who mined it?

I still don't see how it's unfair for YLLSE.
Vys: Higher population. can plunder Yllse only
Yllse: medium population. can plunder vys and zyp.
Zyp: low population. can plunder yllse only.

Yllse has access to resources from all 3 nations. Vys only has access to 2 nations. You can't seriously say that Zyp plunders your resources.

Vys: 2 (Access to 2 nations) - 1 (can be plundered by yllse) = 1
Yllse: 3 (access to 3 nations) - 1 (plundered by vys) = 2
Zyp: 2 (Access to 2 nations) - 1 (can be plundered by yllse) = 1

I'm 100% certain Vys doesn't take ALL of your diamonds because I buy Yllse imported diamonds.

[Shayne]

Yllse is a mercenary nation Your not allowed to complain The war is between VYSEUS and ZYPERN