Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

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Re: Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

Postby Ampz » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:25 pm

The pot it's ok, since the damage of the wizard it's applied on AOE and the BR chance it's insane.

This Pot should not be removed.
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Re: Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

Postby BenedictOh » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:09 pm

Ampz wrote:The pot it's ok, since the damage of the wizard it's applied on AOE and the BR chance it's insane.

This Pot should not be removed.


agree, its also only 30sec duration and take 1 spot of inventory for just single use. there are trade offs. I think pot is just fine the way it is.

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Re: Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

Postby SimpleStupid » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:20 pm

Nearly most killing blows are based on AOE, landing a full hit BL is much harder compare to EX. If you always got caught on FW, FB, or even CF, you probably need to wear eva. BR is the only way for wiz to make the kill, in most cases.
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Re: Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

Postby SimpleStupid » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:24 pm

30secs is actually really long if you know how to fight a wiz, and a wiz could pot up 5+ times within 30secs.
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Re: Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

Postby BenedictOh » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:30 pm

SimpleStupid wrote:Nearly most killing blows are based on AOE, landing a full hit BL is much harder compare to EX. If you always got caught on FW, FB, or even CF, you probably need to wear eva. BR is the only way for wiz to make the kill, in most cases.


well im not gonna talk about balance between classes, however there are also tradeoffs. landing wiz magics are harder compare to ex. however for ex, you have to run right next to opponent to land full dmg(both war ex and thief archer ex). However wiz can runaround and shoot magics from distance, which gives them more survivality. (Im not gonna talk about pepsi becuz pretty much everyone is on pepsi during fight). In addition, most people use stupid amount of ac, because 3 out of 5 classes are based on physical attack. If you wear eva just for wiz, you have to give up ac or smart rares which affects other rest 4 classes. If invalid magic pot is removed, there will be a world of wizards.

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Re: Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

Postby SimpleStupid » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:36 pm

BenedictOh wrote:
SimpleStupid wrote:Nearly most killing blows are based on AOE, landing a full hit BL is much harder compare to EX. If you always got caught on FW, FB, or even CF, you probably need to wear eva. BR is the only way for wiz to make the kill, in most cases.


well im not gonna talk about balance between classes, however there are also tradeoffs. landing wiz magics are harder compare to ex. however for ex, you have to run right next to opponent to land full dmg(both war ex and thief archer ex). However wiz can runaround and shoot magics from distance, which gives them more survivality. (Im not gonna talk about pepsi becuz pretty much everyone is on pepsi during fight). In addition, most people use stupid amount of ac, because 3 out of 5 classes are based on physical attack. If you wear eva just for wiz, you have to give up ac or smart rares which affects other rest 4 classes. If invalid magic pot is removed, there will be a world of wizards.


Weak one dude ;s
The reason why max AC is simple, because it needed to.
You even pulled the warrior EX into this comparison...
Basically you are telling us you dont wear eva(the truth is you are) at all in every pk cases, which is wrong from the first place to discuss. Try play a wiz to contest the
survivability you stated, then maybe we can talk on the same page.
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Re: Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

Postby BenedictOh » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:49 pm

SimpleStupid wrote:
BenedictOh wrote:
well im not gonna talk about balance between classes, however there are also tradeoffs. landing wiz magics are harder compare to ex. however for ex, you have to run right next to opponent to land full dmg(both war ex and thief archer ex). However wiz can runaround and shoot magics from distance, which gives them more survivality. (Im not gonna talk about pepsi becuz pretty much everyone is on pepsi during fight). In addition, most people use stupid amount of ac, because 3 out of 5 classes are based on physical attack. If you wear eva just for wiz, you have to give up ac or smart rares which affects other rest 4 classes. If invalid magic pot is removed, there will be a world of wizards.


Weak one dude ;s
The reason why max AC is simple, because it needed to.
You even pulled the warrior EX into this comparison...
Basically you are telling us you dont wear eva(the truth is you are) at all in every pk cases, which is wrong from the first place to discuss. Try play a wiz to contest the
survivability you stated, then maybe we can talk on the same page.


hmm... probably you know way better than me about wiz. As a matter of survivability, if thief or archer wants to survive, they gotta give up some dmg, which makes them not be able to kill anyone. However, wiz can wear 4 rares, 1more than thief/archer. so you prolly have more options. plus, wiz already have dispell magic which makes them almost invulnerable to magic. 30sec, 1time use invalid potion for other classes? I think that's fair game.

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Re: Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

Postby bminickw » Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:53 am

:roll: Obviously balancing the game will never be made by the players. Everyone is too emotionally involved in their own character and typically make decisions based on that.

GM needs to make the decisions.
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Re: Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

Postby Ampz » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:28 am

SimpleStupid wrote:Nearly most killing blows are based on AOE, landing a full hit BL is much harder compare to EX. If you always got caught on FW, FB, or even CF, you probably need to wear eva. BR is the only way for wiz to make the kill, in most cases.


If you are trying to tell me .. spam BL to no-where and wait for your kill its hardest than land a ex, i think we are playing 2 diferents games. Spam BL It's wath all wiz does.
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Re: Remove invalid magic or give agi candle immune to physical

Postby BenedictOh » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:43 am

Ampz wrote:
SimpleStupid wrote:Nearly most killing blows are based on AOE, landing a full hit BL is much harder compare to EX. If you always got caught on FW, FB, or even CF, you probably need to wear eva. BR is the only way for wiz to make the kill, in most cases.


If you are trying to tell me .. spam BL to no-where and wait for your kill its hardest than land a ex, i think we are playing 2 diferents games. Spam BL It's wath all wiz does.



Running into middle of enemies who have ct+st and land ex vs shooting BL from nowhere well.. hard to compare :lol:


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