Nerf CA/Strike

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Re: Nerf CA/Strike

Postby kador » Fri May 18, 2012 1:55 pm

Why dont you just remove Priest class from the game?
They nerfed our shield...
They nerfed our defensive spells as well...

All class may 1hit kill other class'... CA/Strike is the only way we may do it :hmpf:
Imho, a better option would be making staff more attractive than 1Hand Weapon... So we would have to make Staff rares (wich are a pain in the S to make) and that would lower our AC a lot.. Also, would make more sense...
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Re: Nerf CA/Strike

Postby AngelsLove » Fri May 18, 2012 2:17 pm

täisdibla wrote:
AngelsLove wrote:That's why they need to make the best rares to themselves to stay alive.
Also, this is my ans to Toni

Yes, stay alive as the support. Not kill every physical DPS with OP rares.

If you don't manage to assist (a kinda support, no?) in atk, how to stay alive?
Fo sho, all ppl aim at prz first in wars/ mazes no?
Prz is the most important class in wars/ mazes no (coz they ress buff)?
I don't say prz has to take the lb, unless, ofc, you wanna be the hero

Make Desires/ Robber rares to counter CA/ Strike then
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Re: Nerf CA/Strike

Postby AngelsLove » Fri May 18, 2012 2:19 pm

täisdibla wrote:Yes, stay alive as the support. Not kill every physical DPS with OP rares.

If you don't manage to assist (a kinda support, no?) in atk, how to stay alive?
Fo sho, all ppl aim at prz first in wars/ mazes no?
Prz is the most important class in wars/ mazes no (coz they ress buff)?
I don't say prz has to take the lb, unless, ofc, you wanna be the hero

Make Desires/ Robber rares to counter CA/ Strike then

Read what TinG said
muking wrote:TBH, if decrease CA/strike, then desire, BR rates need to be reduce also!
i think CA/strike work normal now and not too powerful then other like desire!

i just tested, wear desire and G17 force, Single ex ice hit on full ac, >G7 smart d4 priest with sfd, nearly 100 percent the priest left 1 hp.
And even wear full CA/Strike, the theif won't left 1 hp if he wear desire, but the priest will!
Even didn't count stroke and power up candle work

So, don't give a excuse when u die by CA/strike!
Just like other dead by desire, lucky BR hit and someother
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Re: Nerf CA/Strike

Postby kylej » Fri May 18, 2012 2:41 pm

You lot a exagerating bout 1 hit 1 hp with Thomas warrior with g10 ca/strike

i always 1 hit him and only drops about 3-4k hp sometimes it dont ^_^

Just another way of making priest class rubbish

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Re: Nerf CA/Strike

Postby muking » Fri May 18, 2012 3:29 pm

AngelsLove wrote:
täisdibla wrote:I think the priests are kidding us. My HP drops to 1 just with a few normal attacks. I don't even need to ex fire.

Oh well, this is wt I got from the tests
One knife won't down your HP to 1, like I mentioned, sometimes to half, sometimes to 3/4
But with full ex, every time, both prz and thief's HP down to 1


Angels testing results is similar with mine!!!

Thief using desire and G17 force and have 200TT, use a single ex hit on a d4 Priest with full AC, strike and CA with sfd and g 7 or above smart!
the results is 100% the priest will left 1 hp, for the theif, 70% left 1 hp, and other 30% = left 2k - 1x k hp! depends on how well strike /ca work and how well the desire work!
both are not using any candle!
Still not counting if the theif using stroke or power up candle and double. ex condition!

If the priest don't even hv power to kill ppl, then how can they support!
in war / maze, all aim priest, 8 or more attackers keep hitting priest, would you like see the priest just keep potting then die? yes, you guy like to sm other......

if ppl want decrease ca /strike rate, then desire and robbers and br rate also need decrease!

Kador are correct! why do so much to priest class? don't you afraid? then just admit!!
Do you can't pot after ca / strike?? no, you can pot!!
Do you know priest walk very slow? Do you know priest casting very slow? especially after Pepsi!
don't you know after AC drop or stroke candle, priest die very easy even 1 on 1!!!
also, as angelslove don't u know all ppl want killed priest so priest always need 1 vs many??

I think you guy don't know or even didn't use priest in war / maze!
So, why so afraid priest and keep complain??
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Re: Nerf CA/Strike

Postby Thomas » Fri May 18, 2012 3:44 pm

muking wrote:TBH, if decrease CA/strike, then desire, BR rates need to be reduce also!
i think CA/strike work normal now and not too powerful then other like desire!

i just tested, wear desire and G17 force, Single ex ice hit on full ac, >G7 smart d4 priest with sfd, nearly 100 percent the priest left 1 hp.
And even wear full CA/Strike, the theif won't left 1 hp if he wear desire, but the priest will!
Even didn't count stroke and power up candle work

So, don't give a excuse when u die by CA/strike!
Just like other dead by desire, lucky BR hit and someother


Just sad how low knowledge a long time player has.... you know your hp drops to 1because of visual bug that is caused by ca/strike. In reality your hp is higher but you see only 1hp due to his bug.
You can meet me ingame i can hit you full ex with g16,5 force 190tt and g7desire. I think i can deal around 30-34k full ex after ac drop skill and 25-28k before, possibly even less if no desire effect.
Even when using g7robber g7desire combination that so far is the best combination, a d4priest can easily survive even a double ex...a fact even this noob reece can relate to.

The damage to 1hp with 1attack are not exaggerated:
For example my d1 warrior has g10smart g10strike and 78k hp... when i hit 1normal attack with thomas i deal around 11k damage. (thats g21,5force 190tt archer)
G10 stike is 376% damage return witch drops archer hp by 41360 thats just from a single hit that i can also miss since ca/strike work in conjunction with smart. Imagine i have also CA on :)
With my hp i can die only at 100% full ex with no miss, do you know what is the chance to hit like that to a g10smart?
Can also alter items for more hp and less ac, this way the normal damage is 13k, ex is still survivable my a large margin but the reflected damage is 49k enought to bring hp down to 1 on a d4 archer/thief.
Another good example was when i was fighting shark, a d4 warrior who dropped his hp from 74k to 1 with a single double strike and died.

Reece
If you receive 3-4k damage reflect with your thief then you are dealing 3k/3,76 = 800 damage to a 140ac opponent.
Does your thief hit 800 damage to me? If he does your are doing something wrong.

This community doesent want to grow up and develop a decent pvp system, every time some balances are suggested we have same ppl (colo, reece, lgpro, kador) mimimi since they would actually have to start playing. Not to mention some of the whiners , YES YOU COLO are not even playing but just arguing for some unknown reason.
My idea is to drop the effects by 25% so g10ca would be around 30% and strike at 280% OR make the rare effect work only on hit, not on "miss".


Very nice to see mimimi about BL from priest player... who can complete ld every wizard including d4....

Fact that Warrior class at the moment are quite much abusing that rare type since even a d1 warrior has more hp/ac than a d4 priest.
My point is already proven in different forum topic.

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Re: Nerf CA/Strike

Postby Marryland » Fri May 18, 2012 3:56 pm

make ca/strike - max hp of 20% when wearing ^_^

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Re: Nerf CA/Strike

Postby muking » Fri May 18, 2012 3:59 pm

Thomas wrote:
Just sad how low knowledge a long time player has.... you know your hp drops to 1because of visual bug that is caused by ca/strike. In reality your hp is higher but you see only 1hp due to his bug.
You can meet me ingame i can hit you full ex with g16,5 force 190tt and g7desire. I think i can deal around 30-34k full ex after ac drop skill and 25-28k before, possibly even less if no desire effect.
Even when using g7robber g7desire combination that so far is the best combination, a d4priest can easily survive even a double ex...a fact even this noob reece can relate to.

The damage to 1hp with 1attack are not exaggerated:
For example my d1 warrior has g10smart g10strike and 78k hp... when i hit 1normal attack with thomas i deal around 11k damage. (thats g21,5force 190tt archer)
G10 stike is 376% damage return witch drops archer hp by 41360 thats just from a single hit that i can also miss since ca/strike work in conjunction with smart. Imagine i have also CA on :)
With my hp i can die only at 100% full ex with no miss, do you know what is the chance to hit like that to a g10smart?
Can also alter items for more hp and less ac, this way the normal damage is 13k, ex is still survivable my a large margin but the reflected damage is 49k enought to bring hp down to 1 on a d4 archer/thief.
Another good example was when i was fighting shark, a d4 warrior who dropped his hp from 74k to 1 with a single double strike and died.



Thomas!
Don't play me about the damage do on the priest!
BBkill hitting more than 6.3-6.5 per hit for one single ex fire after ac drop on full ac priest with sfd
8 hit in total must more than 50k for one single ex!
Not even talk about any kind of candle (Which very common nowaday) and db ex!
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Re: Nerf CA/Strike

Postby kador » Fri May 18, 2012 4:01 pm

Thomas wrote:This community doesent want to grow up and develop a decent pvp system, every time some balances are suggested we have same ppl (colo, reece, lgpro, kador) mimimi since they would actually have to start playing. Not to mention some of the whiners , YES YOU COLO are not even playing but just arguing for some unknown reason.
My idea is to drop the effects by 25% so g10ca would be around 30% and strike at 280% OR make the rare effect work only on hit, not on "miss".


Well.. complete ignoring the number part, because I dont really care/undestand about that, i will basicaly reply to what you directed to me:

the pvp system of this game was the best system iv ever seen. Not even WOW has an as good system. I dont mimimi about BL. Actually, i rarely mimimi, expecially about other class' skills... I am rational 99% of the time...
The only rational nerf on this would be making it work only on hit, not on "miss".

If you see this game unbalanced, its because of the changes. If they change this, it will lead to another unbalance somewhere...
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Re: Nerf CA/Strike

Postby Thomas » Fri May 18, 2012 4:05 pm

muking wrote:Thomas!
Don't play me about the damage do on the priest!
BBkill hitting more than 6.3-6.5 per hit for one single ex fire after ac drop on full ac priest with sfd
8 hit in total must more than 50k for one single ex!
Not even talk about any kind of candle (Which very common nowaday) and db ex!


6,3-6,5 ex is without SFD and with MAX force... even then due to smart rare you can survive the ex.
Sure.. lets talk about candles... use ac candle archer hit 2,8k ex, g4 last around 10min.. last maze i hit 2k ex to IMpriest who had AC candle on.
Agility candle disables stroke candle, so even if archer/thief uses stroke , he will still miss 50% attacks.

I lost my respect to you, your knowledge of the game is nonexistent!


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